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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: Wiltshire
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He’s just pandering to the noise and not doing what’s right. The problem with the UK is that we are too  short term and pander to populist policies.
ULEZ might be unpopular in the short term but it’s an inevitability. Besides, who doesn’t want better air quality? New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner 
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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 19th Sep 2023 11:49 pm |
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DN
D3 Decade
Member Since: 24 Jun 2006
Location: W.London.
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Ok, I may be at risk of being one of NoDo$h’s ‘Gammon’ targets,( if I’m not already), but I need to say this  ……Better air quality?  If you believe that, you’ll believe anything. Have you not read about the utter lies and deceit that Satan Khan spouts ? You know it’s all about raising funds for TFL surely ? He doesn’t give a flying f**k about air quality…. With Heathrow, Northolt, and London City Airports in the area, there’s not a hope in hell of achieving that. Besides, although I’m retired, and use my D3 far less than previously, I, and countless others can still pay the charge and pollute as we desire. Why didn’t SK just ban all non compliant vehicles outright ? Think about it………..££££££££££million’s…  D3 owned from new, P017 brake recall, BAS FBHIC, new FBH, LR013487 oil pump, new water pump. RRS front lower suspension arms. New suspension compressor/ relay. New Denso alternator. CuNifer rear brake pipes. New GKN rear propshaft. New HPFP belt & tensioner. New A/C Condenser.NO WARRANTY for many many years.
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| 20th Sep 2023 12:25 am |
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jenseneverest
Member Since: 12 Jun 2017
Location: somewhere
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Exactly that
If it was for "cleaner air" then why only in London, or whatever city / area.... this is air pollution, IE it travels on the fu**ing wind.....If you really want cleaner air, then the polluting vehicle's should be outright banned completely throughout the entire UK, and no amount of money should make them permissible.
So i have scrapped my perfectly good diesel D3 and replaced it with a 4.4 V8 petrol D3....
yay i am now driving a cleaner vehicle....  Clean air my fu**ing a*$e.
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| 20th Sep 2023 2:18 am |
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NoDo$h
Member Since: 02 May 2006
Location: Finding new and exciting ways to milk badgers.
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Behavioural change starts from encouragement, then reinforcement, then punishment. We're currently at the border of encourage/reinforce.
Countless studies prove that any change driven from punishment will be short term and typically suffer a colossal recidivism rate.
Sunak is pandering to the steaming bacon brigade with his leaked proposal to row back on net zero. History will see this as a dark day if he attempts to buy the votes of a few angry old men with nothing better to shout about. Those cheering his policy volte-face won't be directly judged by history as they are, by and large, non-entities. I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
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| 20th Sep 2023 11:04 am |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: Wiltshire
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This all reminds me of the huffing and puffing about removing lead in petrol.
One of the issues around clean air, is the removal of particulates produced by older diesels. Reducing these is one of the key aims of ULEZ in any city. Swapping to V8 D3 does help reduce particles, so kudos to those that have for going 'green'.
As Nodosh said, you have to change behaviour somehow. People don't like it but that's life.
Sunak pandering to the Daily Mail and Global Warming Policy Forum, of who my pal is chairman, doesn't help anyone. New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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| 20th Sep 2023 11:17 am |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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And ironically, for a party that sees themselves as the "party for business", business is now saying "don't do that Rishi as it's messing with all of our planning and product development". If Sunak buys a few votes with this policy change, it could well cost many jobs if companies decide the UK's u-turn politics is too unstable to risk investing in the country. But, hey, the next election is all that matters to politicians.
Oh for some statesmen in Parliament.  Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 20th Sep 2023 11:52 am |
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jenseneverest
Member Since: 12 Jun 2017
Location: somewhere
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I have no issue with change, hell i want cleaner air. What i do take exception to is some BS story that somehow ULEZ is for cleaner air.
An outright ban of new petrol /diesel cars is achievable by 2050. Hydrogen is coming on leaps and bounds of late, and no doubt by then electric cars will charge up in seconds and run for weeks, but as always this is not really about clean air, the oil company's have mega money behind them and will not just be disappearing....
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| 20th Sep 2023 11:54 am |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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jenseneverest wrote:I have no issue with change, hell i want cleaner air. What i do take exception to is some BS story that somehow ULEZ is for cleaner air.
An outright ban of new petrol /diesel cars is achievable by 2050. Hydrogen is coming on leaps and bounds of late, and no doubt by then electric cars will charge up in seconds and run for weeks, but as always this is not really about clean air, the oil company's have mega money behind them and will not just be disappearing....
Don't worry, the oil companies won't lose out - they are investing in EV systems.
Quote:By 2030, Shell UK aims to have 100,000 public EV charge points across the country. 11,000 of these will be rapid chargers at locations including charging hubs, forecourts, supermarkets and other destinations. This means that 90% of all UK drivers will be within a 10-minute drive of a Shell rapid charger.
Rapid chargers allow many cars to reach 80% within approximately 30 minutes, subject to the specification of the car battery. The remaining new chargers in the updated target will be on-street charge points integrated into street infrastructure such as lampposts, which charge vehicles over longer periods.
In addition to the public charge points, Shell’s installation of EV chargers at private locations, such as homes and workplaces, will also continue to grow at pace. Shell estimate that by the end of 2030 they could have installed 500,000 such chargers.
https://www.shell.co.uk/about-us/news-and-...-2030.html Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 20th Sep 2023 1:29 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13126
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HWN wrote:
Keeping an existing Discovery in good nick and not driving it much must be better for the environment than manufacturing a 'clean' replacement' and scrapping the Disco
"The greenest car you can buy is the one you already own". Or something. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 20th Sep 2023 1:30 pm |
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DN
D3 Decade
Member Since: 24 Jun 2006
Location: W.London.
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^^ +1 to that, my thoughts entirely…..Mine is far too good to scrap. Not even up to 100,000 miles yet. D3 owned from new, P017 brake recall, BAS FBHIC, new FBH, LR013487 oil pump, new water pump. RRS front lower suspension arms. New suspension compressor/ relay. New Denso alternator. CuNifer rear brake pipes. New GKN rear propshaft. New HPFP belt & tensioner. New A/C Condenser.NO WARRANTY for many many years.
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| 20th Sep 2023 1:54 pm |
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pjm-84
Member Since: 04 Oct 2016
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 2444
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RRSTDV8 wrote:HWN wrote:
Keeping an existing Discovery in good nick and not driving it much must be better for the environment than manufacturing a 'clean' replacement' and scrapping the Disco
"The greenest car you can buy is the one you already own". Or something.
That's at a point in time and the statement needs to be corrected because you cant buy a vehicle you already own.
The ID3 is carbon neutral at production
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| 20th Sep 2023 2:06 pm |
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DN
D3 Decade
Member Since: 24 Jun 2006
Location: W.London.
Posts: 2296
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pgm-84. My near neighbours ID3 has been taken away on a flat bed truck twice. The 1st time it was gone for 7weeks, and the second 5 weeks. I’m afraid no amount of cajoling would see me in one of those D3 owned from new, P017 brake recall, BAS FBHIC, new FBH, LR013487 oil pump, new water pump. RRS front lower suspension arms. New suspension compressor/ relay. New Denso alternator. CuNifer rear brake pipes. New GKN rear propshaft. New HPFP belt & tensioner. New A/C Condenser.NO WARRANTY for many many years.
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| 20th Sep 2023 2:13 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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DN - so no different to LR products over the years then?   Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 20th Sep 2023 2:24 pm |
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DN
D3 Decade
Member Since: 24 Jun 2006
Location: W.London.
Posts: 2296
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Well, touch wood, mine has never been taken away on a truck, or even missed a beat in all its years. But I do understand your point. D3 owned from new, P017 brake recall, BAS FBHIC, new FBH, LR013487 oil pump, new water pump. RRS front lower suspension arms. New suspension compressor/ relay. New Denso alternator. CuNifer rear brake pipes. New GKN rear propshaft. New HPFP belt & tensioner. New A/C Condenser.NO WARRANTY for many many years.
Last edited by DN on 20th Sep 2023 2:29 pm. Edited 1 time in total
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| 20th Sep 2023 2:27 pm |
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