I'd say that whilst Ghost is a better product for preventing removal of your vehicle, Altox is better for many as it adds remote heating functionality.
Ghost won't stop the b ds wrecking the car trying to take it.
Why not ask your insurance company? If they offer a nice discount for a particular choice, then that's got to be the one!.
Dean
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2011 D4 XS - OBD port protection, RLD spare wheel protector, All LED interiors lights, Timed Climate enabled, iiD tool paired.
2011 D4 Landmark - Stolen from same dealer before I paid for it
2011 D4 GS - Stolen whilst at dealer ... All LED interiors lights, DRLs, Spare Wheel protector.
1996 300Tdi - Eaten by tin worms
1st Jan 2024 11:51 am
LRD4GAB
Member Since: 05 Nov 2020
Location: Tamworth
Posts: 473
Thanks for the reply, what a good idea I'll speak to them
1st Jan 2024 12:35 pm
Nc1989
Member Since: 28 Apr 2015
Location: Doncaster
Posts: 203
I’ve always been a believer that if it’s parked on your drive (so they know where to find you) that it’s best not making it too hard other than obvious visible stuff like a steering lock for opportunist thieves. If they want it that badly and you’ve made it harder they will just come in the house, with a young family I’d rather the just have the thing at that point. Same with trackers, do you really want it back after some scrote has had away with it and ragged it to within an inch of its life?
Of course it’s completely up to you, just offering my view on it
Edited to add - Any time I’ve supplied fridge vans to London the customer has always requested a ghost fitted, nothing else has ever come into the mix.
1st Jan 2024 12:39 pm
LRD4GAB
Member Since: 05 Nov 2020
Location: Tamworth
Posts: 473
Unfortunately insurance companies are now stating that no imobilizer or tracker they won't Insure LAND ROVERS
1st Jan 2024 2:14 pm
Nc1989
Member Since: 28 Apr 2015
Location: Doncaster
Posts: 203
In that case I can understand completely, not something I’ve had to contend with yet myself - maybe my stuff is all too old
1st Jan 2024 2:54 pm
Trailered Movements
Member Since: 16 Jan 2020
Location: East/West Sussex Coast Borders
Posts: 1198
Personally, I have always used a hidden switch that means the car/van/truck just doesn't start.
There are many ways to do this, depending on what vehicle it is and how accessible the fuses/relays/wiring is.
Dave2011 Discovery 4 Commercial SDV6 (Gone)
2010 RRS TDV8 (Gone)
1980 OBLIC 4.0ltr Range Rover (went a long time ago)
1st Jan 2024 3:06 pm
Oxford-boy
Member Since: 07 Sep 2015
Location: Oxford
Posts: 1063
I have had a Ghost on my D4 for over 3 years now. It's excellent. You can turn it on and off, place it in service mode and well, I feel comfortable knowing that my car will still be where I leave it when I return.
I take the point it maybe damaged until the thieves find they cannot start it due to Ghost but better that than no car.
I also use a disklok when parked on the street away from home.
My insurer (NFU) say they do not discount for having a Ghost installed but they do 'note' it for the overall risk calculations.
I had to have a tracker installed to get insurance with NFU but that must be regions specific as I know others have not had that condition.
I have a long list of modifications specified with NFU and they are a decent company to deal with.
On the forums on FB various positive comments about using Apple Tags with the sound deactivated as a tracker being successful for some people in finding their cars which have been stolen in the golden hour after...
Good luck.Jim
2014 Discovery 4 XXV SDV6 Causeway Grey
2016 Discovery 4 HSE Lux SDV6 Loire Blue - now gone
1st Jan 2024 3:20 pm
Farmer Chalk
Member Since: 07 Mar 2013
Location: Independent Republic of Kentishshire.
Posts: 4156
Ghost is without a shadow of doubt the best.. whilst it currently doesn’t attract an insurance discount because it hadn’t gone through the Thatcham test regime I understand that this is shortly to change and insurers have woken up to this…
The Thatcham engineers love it.. I speak with them regularly..
Re trackers forget the wired in ones unless it’s a full Cat 5 system…
My recommendation would be for a battery version which are hugely hard to locate on a vehicle.. I would recommend either the Cantrack T7 or the Automatrics tracking device.. both companies have a dedicated search team to locate the vehicle in the event of theft.. both of these devices can be hidden deep within a car interior..
PM me for advice but for obvious reasons I am not disclosing on an open forum..
Top tip – live data tracking on the cheap - especially if the car is SWMBO’s and you are on a super tight budget.
Put an old smart phone in your boot connected to keep it recharged. Connect this phone to your phone via google maps ‘friends’ and you are able to receive real time location updates from this phone now in your boot if is stolen – ask a nearby 12yr old if unsure how to set up.
It’s not a slick or super fast tracker solution and insurance companies will laugh at you but it works. And it’s very cheap.
Here is your Ace card - when Swmbo leaves home one day without her mobile by mistake this will induce an utter panic. For her there is now a telecommunication blackout, a genuine panic that your nephew will be late being picked up from school/she will be late for Pimms/late for bingo. You will now be a hero because she just has to reach into the boot and start dialling to ease the panic of the perceived drama.
Insert caped super hero GIF here and reap your rewards.
This is the voice of experience gents... And don’t forget to tell her where it’s hidden....
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1st Jan 2024 9:40 pm
kajtzu
Member Since: 11 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 6575
Teltonika makes nice trackers. FMT100 (although 2G only so it doesn’t have a long term future) is extremely affordable as is the FMC225 (4G with 2G fallback). Particularly the latter, due to its small size, can be hidden really nicely in weird places.
1st Jan 2024 10:01 pm
Davethegeo
Member Since: 01 Oct 2015
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 879
Notwithstanding all the experienced answers above this, I'm still a fan of TruTrak. They market the Teltonika trackers in the UK. They offer live tracking and replay of past journeys which can be interesting to see how often I get a red triangle for "aggressive cornering" ahem...
I also have a kill switch which is easy to set up and hide. There are circuits on the car which will not flag an error, but will prevent the car from starting.
Both of these used with a StopLock steering lock would make the car tricky to drive away. The kill switch and the steering lock do rely on a human to remember to switch them or lock them and that is maybe the weak link in the security chain.D1 300Tdi - gone
D2 Td5 ES (Alive remapped...mmm) - sadly gone
D4 2012 SDV6 XS - Stolen
D4 2014 SDV6 HSE - Shiny
1st Jan 2024 11:18 pm
Farmer Chalk
Member Since: 07 Mar 2013
Location: Independent Republic of Kentishshire.
Posts: 4156
As above it depends what you want a tracker for?
If you are looking for asset management for your own benefit then you can go as cheap as you like with anything that reports GPS/GSM.
My only comment relates to professional thieves are now widespread using tracker blockers.. these have been easily available for less than £15…
Thus if you really want your car back then you need to purchase a system that has multiple means of communication.. I.e.both RF or lo-ra and GPS/GSM which are far harder to signal block..
You also need to consider that anything emitting a constant signal is really easy to locate.. hence a system which chirps its location again is far harder for the thieves to locate..
Pays your money etc.. however don’t rely on OEM tracking as these are defeated before the car is even driven away…
1st Jan 2024 11:54 pm
pjm-84
Member Since: 04 Oct 2016
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 2439
Ghost on the BMW. The only disappointed thing is the supplied stickers. They are rubbish. Two small fritted opaque squares.
A Tracker on the BMW equated to a £12 PA saving so its was a no. Also know someone who had their M3 stolen which had a tracker fitted. The story goes that he tracked the vehicle to a locked industrial complex and the Police couldn't gain access until it was open the next morning. By then it was "gone". Assumed they had neutralised the tracker.
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ds wrecking the car trying to take it.
... All LED interiors lights, DRLs, Spare Wheel protector.
