When will JLR accept that this problem is world wide, and not in specific markets?
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29th Dec 2018 11:13 am
kajtzu
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Pete K wrote:
what age range does it cover?
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details as follows:
(1) Some of the 2013-2016 Land Rover new Range Rover series cars produced from May 9, 2012 to April 12, 2016, totaling 2,772 vehicles;
(II) Some of the 2010-2013 Land Rover Range Rover Sport series cars produced from September 3, 2009 to May 3, 2013, totaling 20154;
(3) Some of the 2014-2016 Land Rover Range Rover Sport Series cars produced from October 24, 2013 to April 26, 2016, totaling 3,593 vehicles;
(4) Some of the 2010-2016 Land Rover's fourth-generation discovery series cars, which were produced from September 3, 2009 to May 8, 2016, totaled 42,309 vehicles.
29th Dec 2018 11:20 am
kajtzu
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NJSS wrote:
When will JLR accept that this problem is world wide, and not in specific markets?
TBH it is in their interest to prolong it as much as possible. Were they to replace every engine (and I don’t think they will in China either) after 10 years could easily be a few cool billion in materials and labor.
Just look at J&J who knew about the possibility of asbestos in their baby powder for decades and did nothing (according to Reuters).
29th Dec 2018 11:23 am
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Recently, Jaguar Land Rover (China) Investment Co., Ltd. in accordance with "defective auto product recall regulations" and "defective auto product recall regulations Implementation Measures" requirements, filing a recall plan to the State Administration of market supervision and management, decided 2019 Nian 4 Yue On the 5th , some of the imported Land Rover Range Rover, Land Rover Range Rover, Land Rover New Range Rover and Land Rover's fourth-generation car series were recalled , totaling 68,828 . details as follows:
(A) 2012 Year 5 Yue 9 to 2016 in 4 Yue 12 part of the production of the 2013-2016 model year Land Rover Range Rover new car series, a total of 2772 Liang;
(B) 2009 in 9 Yue 3 to 2013 in 5 Yue 3 on the production part of the 2010-2013 model year Range Rover sports car series, a total of 20154 Liang;
(C) 2013 Year 10 Yue 24- to 2016 in 4 Yue 26 part of the production of the 2014-2016 model year Land Rover Range Rover Sport new car series, a total of 3593 Liang;
(D) 2009 of 9 Yue 3 to 2016 in 5 Yue 8 part of the production of the 2010-2016 model year Land Rover Discovery 4 series vehicles, a total of 42309 vehicles.
Due to the manufacturer's manufacturing reasons, some of the vehicles in this recall may have premature wear due to insufficient lubrication. In extreme cases, the crankshaft may break, causing the engine's power output to be interrupted, posing a safety hazard. Jaguar Land Rover (China) Investment Co., Ltd. will diagnose the vehicles within the scope of the recall and replace the improved engine for free of potential risks based on the diagnosis to eliminate potential safety hazards.
I wonder if THIS is the real reason JLR are looking for £1.5Bn in cost savings... My D3 Build Thread
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On the 1.5B in savings... all I’m going to say is that IFRS requires disclosure of material changes and one may not obscure things that affect the financial statements. If they know they’re needing money for a recall they should state it rather than saying “must save on costs because we’ve spent too much and now must improve efficiency”.
There are more specific changes coming to materiality clauses in IAS 1 and 8 but they’re mandatory only starting 2020 (and voluntary before that).
29th Dec 2018 1:47 pm
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admitting to problems with 8 year old cars.
It's almost as if JLR are an honest company again
29th Dec 2018 5:23 pm
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I wonder what will cost LR more, fixing some cars in some countries waaaaaaaaaay too late, whilst ignoring their home market, or loosing customers that had been faithful to the brand for decades?
29th Dec 2018 5:40 pm
kajtzu
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Pete K wrote:
admitting to problems with 8 year old cars. It's almost as if JLR are an honest company again
I think it’s because the authorities insist on it. Probably more a side effect of Chinese protectionism than concern for consumer (or other...) rights Korea was most likely the same - they did use the word “voluntarily” but it’s a fine line of getting the message and pretending to do good...
Apologies for a slightly jaded view of corporate politics and spin on communications
29th Dec 2018 5:58 pm
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DSL wrote:
I wonder what will cost LR more, fixing some cars in some countries waaaaaaaaaay too late, whilst ignoring their home market, or loosing customers that had been faithful to the brand for decades?
They’re most likely thanking their lucky stars they didn’t use the Diesel engines in USA. 8) VW reserved 10B USD to buy back ~550k vehicles. Valuations were pre-scandal and there was some extra compensation involved so it was a pretty good deal for the consumer. Alternatively you could get your car fixed course....
There was an extra ~5B in fines, to Uncle Sam, as extra incentive to not do it again.
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It is however an admission of guilt and creates a precedent!
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30th Dec 2018 8:09 am
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Needs someone with a bit of legal background, to write to LR UK and see how they react.
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30th Dec 2018 9:15 am
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Thanks for that
The chinese page for D4 states from 3/9/2009 to 8/5/2016 (i changed to uk date system dd/mm/yy)
I went to dealer today to collect car (big belt change,antifeeeze,brake fluid etc 1200 pounds(converted))
The dealer said April the inspections will begin.
Will keep posted on any change.It is better to have and not need it then need and not have it.
30th Dec 2018 9:53 am
Pelyma
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NJSS wrote:
When will JLR accept that this problem is world wide, and not in specific markets?
NJSS
When people stop buying them. Aren’t LR whining that sales are down in China? lol and behold they start to do something about it.
Funnily enough I was shooting yesterday and somewhere that would have been 90% LR products was 1 Disco3 (my old one still going strong), an estate 110 an old 90 and a Fl2. The only one that was 3 years old or newer was the 110. Conversely there was 5 Ford pickups one of which was older, 3 HiLux one of which was older 2 Mitsubishi both new and my Porsche.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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30th Dec 2018 10:17 am
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Paul, even if China sales are slack (for all manufacturers) JLR are still selling 3 x more motors than in 2008
30th Dec 2018 10:35 am
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But still need big cost cuts? Turn over for vanity.... I’ll let you fill the rest in.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
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Korea was most likely the same - they did use the word “voluntarily” but it’s a fine line of getting the message and pretending to do good... 
