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Alternator output
Would u mind if I may pick ur brains please
Been trying to find out the alternator output Vdc for a petrol 4.4 2006 RRS
His readings are
battery connected to vehicle but all doors closed and engine off: 12.6Vdc
truck running at idle, maybe the stereo was on: 14.
truck idling with alot of stuff turned on: 12.65VDC, truck at various RPMs with only radio on ~14.3VDC
new battery is AGM, 900CCA 1000CA, 160 reserve and 95ah rating
Do these figures look ok plse and should an AGM battery be fitted seeing they aren’t supposed to be charged over 14.8Vdc
Is it the same with only denso that should be fitted , alas don’t know if it’s the same 150amp like the TDV6 or a lower rating
Thks so much in advance as always
21st Jul 2019 11:06 pm
davidhem
Member Since: 21 Feb 2013
Location: Kenilworth
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Quote:
battery connected to vehicle but all doors closed and engine off: 12.6Vdc
truck running at idle, maybe the stereo was on: 14.
truck idling with alot of stuff turned on: 12.65VDC, truck at various RPMs with only radio on ~14.3VDC
Those figures seem good to me, especially with a new battery fitted, I fitted a new alternator and battery a few weeks back to my D3, I have pretty much the same figures.
No idea about an AGM battery though.David
21st Jul 2019 11:46 pm
gstuart
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: kent
Posts: 13992
Many thks and most appreciated
The guy is stateside , has found some bad connections in the engines fuse box, inc water marks , is causing untold issues
Pic is underneath the suspension relay
Very grateful once again, thank u
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22nd Jul 2019 6:17 am
gstuart
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Location: kent
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Some of the error codes , him using his Fox well code reader , also keeps getting “ lost comm with IC"
Gent bought it a few weeks ago , cheaply and trying to get the bottom of the fault
Also has this alternator fitted , been on there a while
He read these codes:
IP U0010 medium speed CAN comm bus, intermittent
^same error but pending too
IP U0182 lost comm with front lighting control module, historic
IP U0159 lost comm with parking assist control module A, pending
IP B1A86 ignition status, pending, algorithm based failure - signal plausibility failure
IP B1A87 battery disconnection/electronic control unit reset, pending
EM U0167 lost comm with vehicle immobilizer, intermittent
TC lost comm with instrument cluster, intermittent, missing a message
AG (missed DTC in pic) lost comm with instrument cluster, permanent
EPB C1A55 ignition switch input circuit, intermittent, signal plausibility failure
EPB C1A48 warning lamp circuit, signal lamp connection failure, intermittent
RLC C1A35 reservoir valve, intermittent
RLC C1A36 exhaust valve, intermittent
RLC C1131 air supply, intermittent, component failure, performance or incorrect operation
RLC U0416 invalid data received from VDC, pending
RLC C1A00 control module, permanent, system programming failure - deactivated
SAS U0122 lost comm with VDC, intermittent
ABS U0155 lost comm with instrument cluster, permanent
ATC U0416 invalid data received from VDC, pending
ATC U0421 invalid data received from RLC, pending
BCM control module, intermittent, general electrical failure, circuit below threshold
BCM B1A99 power on reset, pending
BCM B1B01 key transponder, intermittent
BCM B1B02 low frequency coil, permanent, signal bias level is out of range
BCM 9BA0 fault not in the list, signal has too many transitions/events
BCM B1C57 passive start ignition relay could circuit/unused relay drive, intermittent
BMC B1D12 volumetric alarm power circuit, intermittent, circuit short to battery or open
BMC U0155 lost comm with instrument cluster, intermittent
BCM U0300 internal control module software incompatibility, intermittent
HVAC U0300 internal control module software incompatibility, intermittent, system programming failure
PA U0155 lost comm with instrument cluster, permanent
PA U0140 lost comm with body control module/loss of communication with central junction box
PA U0300 internal control module software incompatibility, permanent, system programming failure
AFC U2003 fibre optic comm bus, intermittent, signal is invalid
AFC U1A25 lost comm with information center module, intermittent, system internal failure
AFC U1A26 lost comm with cellular telephone, intermittent, system internal failure
AFC U1A27 lost comm with rear entertainment, intermittent, system internal failure
AFC U1A28 lost comm with satellite audio, intermittent, system internal failure
AFC U1A30 lost comm with television, intermittent, system internal failure
AFC U1A31 lost comm with traffic master, intermittent, system internal failure
AFC U0187 lost comm with digital disc player, intermittent, system internal failure
IP=instrument cluster, EM is engine ECU, TC is traction control module, AG is automatic gearbox, EPB is electric parking brake, RLC is ride level control, SAS is steering angle sensor, ABS is well.. acoustical baseball system:), ATC is all terrain control, BCM is body control module, HVAC is also obvious, PA is parking assist, and AFC is audio front control.
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22nd Jul 2019 6:22 am
aja4x4
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Location: Westbury
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Its not just the voltage issue with AGM batteries its the current and heat.
AGM batteries hold the electolite in a glass mat sandwiched between the lead plated of the battery unlike a normal flooded battery where the lead plates sit in the electrolite.
I have found some serious issues when using AGM batteries when the batteries get hot through charging or delivering high current, the electrolite evaporates from the outside of the glass mat and the battery appears to have failed with low or no voltage. The batteries are sealed so when they cool down the electrolite returns and the battery comes back to life.
I fit specalist equipment to vehicles and it was a pain to diagnose faults that these batteries caused.
AGM batteries were designed to be charged slowly and to give out low cureent for a long time, but now seem to be fitted to vehicles who often charge at high voltage and can have high current demands.
22nd Jul 2019 6:30 am
gstuart
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: kent
Posts: 13992
Thank u for the reply , very helpful
Alas the guy just fitted the AGM , by the sounds of it the error was there before hand
Sent some pics to him of how to get the engines fuse box out to inspect inside and see if there’s any more bad connections
Indeed then wonder if it’s worth him fitting a wet cell battery , assume the issue become worse on the TDV6 that produces a higher output
Every day is a school day
Plus those codes keep coming back after he cleared them
Many thks once again for the great info
22nd Jul 2019 6:51 am
lynalldiscovery
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Location: Maidstone
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The bit that would concern me is the 12.65 at idle with lots of stuff turned on, I dont think thats charging.
I am surprised the alt is only 150 amp?
Iirc td5 was 150amp
22nd Jul 2019 7:07 am
Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
Posts: 10622
Good point about brand.
Ask him what brand alt he has been fitting.
22nd Jul 2019 8:38 am
Globetrotter448
Member Since: 21 Mar 2017
Location: Londonderry NSW
Posts: 1807
gstuart, you are a gentleman trying to unravel all those codes. The ones of interest seem to be possibly located in one plug. Not sure on a V8 though. If they keep coming back, even after clearing them then maybe it has not reset it properly. On a Foxwell reader there is a screen to reset the whole vehicle so maybe start from there.
All of these codes can be ignored, they are comms issues, if your having battery problems then these will showw up, its the P0 codes that need sorting.
12.6 at idle is to low, it should be higher, 12.5 on a battery with just ignition on is low, so 12.6 with engine running is bad. sounds like new alternator time, the output and charging rate is all controlled by the PCM.
He read these codes:
IP U0010 medium speed CAN comm bus, intermittent
^same error but pending too
IP U0182 lost comm with front lighting control module, historic
IP U0159 lost comm with parking assist control module A, pending
IP B1A86 ignition status, pending, algorithm based failure - signal plausibility failure
IP B1A87 battery disconnection/electronic control unit reset, pending
EM U0167 lost comm with vehicle immobilizer, intermittent
TC lost comm with instrument cluster, intermittent, missing a message
AG (missed DTC in pic) lost comm with instrument cluster, permanent
EPB C1A55 ignition switch input circuit, intermittent, signal plausibility failure
EPB C1A48 warning lamp circuit, signal lamp connection failure, intermittent
RLC C1A35 reservoir valve, intermittent
RLC C1A36 exhaust valve, intermittent
RLC C1131 air supply, intermittent, component failure, performance or incorrect operation
RLC U0416 invalid data received from VDC, pending
RLC C1A00 control module, permanent, system programming failure - deactivated
SAS U0122 lost comm with VDC, intermittent
ABS U0155 lost comm with instrument cluster, permanent
ATC U0416 invalid data received from VDC, pending
ATC U0421 invalid data received from RLC, pending
BCM control module, intermittent, general electrical failure, circuit below threshold
BCM B1A99 power on reset, pending
BCM B1B01 key transponder, intermittent
BCM B1B02 low frequency coil, permanent, signal bias level is out of range
BCM 9BA0 fault not in the list, signal has too many transitions/events
BCM B1C57 passive start ignition relay could circuit/unused relay drive, intermittent
BMC B1D12 volumetric alarm power circuit, intermittent, circuit short to battery or open
BMC U0155 lost comm with instrument cluster, intermittent
BCM U0300 internal control module software incompatibility, intermittent
HVAC U0300 internal control module software incompatibility, intermittent, system programming failure
PA U0155 lost comm with instrument cluster, permanent
PA U0140 lost comm with body control module/loss of communication with central junction box
PA U0300 internal control module software incompatibility, permanent, system programming failure
AFC U2003 fibre optic comm bus, intermittent, signal is invalid
AFC U1A25 lost comm with information center module, intermittent, system internal failure
AFC U1A26 lost comm with cellular telephone, intermittent, system internal failure
AFC U1A27 lost comm with rear entertainment, intermittent, system internal failure
AFC U1A28 lost comm with satellite audio, intermittent, system internal failure
AFC U1A30 lost comm with television, intermittent, system internal failure
AFC U1A31 lost comm with traffic master, intermittent, system internal failure
AFC U0187 lost comm with digital disc player, intermittent, system internal failure
Flack
22nd Jul 2019 9:25 am
Globetrotter448
Member Since: 21 Mar 2017
Location: Londonderry NSW
Posts: 1807
Just re looking - the "also keeps getting “ lost comm with IC"" means it cannot talk to a controller. The user must make sure his Land Rover software is up to-date, this is a free download to registered owners. So if using the Foxwell he does "Auto diagnosis" it will check all systems (takes its time) and will give up the errors. Then if he goes through them by clicking on them one at a time he will be able to read the error for that controller then when you do an erase for that error it will check the controller after the erase as long as he selects OK to "check after erase". This will show up a faulty controller and give the error message, so just need to note which system it was. Hopefully it will point him in the right direction.
I use a Foxwell reader (NT510) on my D3 and it work well.
22nd Jul 2019 9:32 am
gstuart
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: kent
Posts: 13992
Thks so much guys , am always so appreciative
Just posting codes he managed to read before I have a good read of ur replies
22nd Jul 2019 10:04 am
Globetrotter448
Member Since: 21 Mar 2017
Location: Londonderry NSW
Posts: 1807
The first message indicates the vehicle is not registered so all he can do is read codes
22nd Jul 2019 10:08 am
gstuart
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: kent
Posts: 13992
Thks again and have shared the link with him so he can also read what’s been written , know u guys have vast amounts of knowledge
Gent came onto the landyzone forum and I , like others do , always try my best to help the best I can , understand how frustrating it can be finding the elusive error
Apologises what’s the PO codes please
Gent has updated his foxwell to the latest software
I’m afraid I don’t know what battery was fitted beforehand or how old the alternator is, indeed see it’s a 145 amp output , also passed on ur comments concerning voltages
Thks again and will update later as the guy is stateside
22nd Jul 2019 10:26 am
gstuart
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Location: kent
Posts: 13992
Also not sure is this is one of those battery monitoring sensors or just an ordinary connector
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