Member Since: 12 Aug 2020
Location: Henley-on-Thames
Posts: 110
Steering wheel wobble on light steering movements + braking
Hi All
I'm currently tracking down the cause of a steering wheel wobble, mostly under breaking, but can be felt if I provide slight turning on the wheel I think it can be felt, but not as much as under breaking.
When I took the wheels off to swap the front bags I couldn't see anything untoward. The issue existed before taking the wheels off.
Does anyone have any pointers? They're 3 month old discs on the front, and it had lower arms 4 years ago, both prior to my acquisition of the vehicle.
Thanks
Thomas
12th Nov 2020 4:40 pm
disco4ever
Member Since: 23 Dec 2013
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I guess the lower wishbones need replacing. If the bushes are not worn I guess the next step would be to check the discs and brake pads.Achim
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12th Nov 2020 4:54 pm
tgreer
Member Since: 12 Aug 2020
Location: Henley-on-Thames
Posts: 110
Would you expect them to be shot in 4 years?
12th Nov 2020 7:08 pm
aja4x4
Member Since: 14 Apr 2019
Location: Westbury
Posts: 2459
Check your front wheel bearings
What make of disc and pads did you fit? Theres a lots of weight in the discs if they warp a little bit you will get wheel wobble.
If the sliders are not free it can cause the brakes to stick on overheating the discs
12th Nov 2020 7:19 pm
tgreer
Member Since: 12 Aug 2020
Location: Henley-on-Thames
Posts: 110
I didnt fit them, was pre my recent acquisition of the vehicle. I can swap them all out, just trying not to burn more money in areas if I don't have to. I'll have more of a squiz at them on a ramp.
If it was warped discs I'd expect it on braking, but not to feel it when giving small amounts of steering input.
12th Nov 2020 7:56 pm
KevlarPants
Member Since: 29 Dec 2019
Location: IPSWICH
Posts: 46
Hi, mine had a steering wheel wobbke/ shake when I got it.
I think it was worse at low speed, don't think braking effected it.
I replaced most of the steering fluid which I think helped but the biggest improvement was changing the wheels and tyres.
12th Nov 2020 8:29 pm
Globetrotter448
Member Since: 21 Mar 2017
Location: Londonderry NSW
Posts: 1783
Mine had a shake especially when braking - turned out to be the callipers were sticking on the pins. I unbolted the pins, cleaned and put back in and problem fixed so imagine the calliper was not floating as it should. I did both fronts, maybe I need to look at rears.
13th Nov 2020 9:54 am
Lazylen
Member Since: 03 Sep 2018
Location: Rochford
Posts: 44
I had a Brake Caliper Piston that was sticking, not enough to cause overheating but enough to give the slight wobble with little steering movement, new front calipers fitted with slider pins and problem sorted
13th Nov 2020 10:12 am
ClassikFan
Member Since: 02 Nov 2016
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1030
I had a slight tremor /wobble feel through the brake pedal when I first got my D3 and it was cured by replacing the Steering Rack Ends & Track Rod Ends.Just 'cause you got the power... that don't mean you got the right.
13th Nov 2020 1:15 pm
mek
Member Since: 18 Mar 2015
Location: Zurich
Posts: 468
I have something similar and having previously done lower arms, tie rods/ends, wheel bearings and anti-roll bar bushes I will be changing the steering column end and front upper arms next weekend
Lazylen wrote:
I had a Brake Caliper Piston that was sticking, not enough to cause overheating but enough to give the slight wobble with little steering movement, new front calipers fitted with slider pins and problem sorted
13th Nov 2020 2:14 pm
LR3-V8 PB
Member Since: 01 Mar 2019
Location: Towcester
Posts: 4
Steering issues
Clearly from all the posts there are lots of culprit components.
My experience is that wheel and tyre issues need eliminating first.
Balance alone won't solve a Radial Force Variation problem. This is where the assembly has a rolling 'bump' caused by either out of round rim or a tyre with a high RFV.
OE's are very specific on new vehicles to ensure not only rim and tyre are within the spec, but that the tyre is then force matched to the rim. I.e. The tyre stiff spot is place in the wheel rim low spot to smooth the rolling difference.
Elsewhere is the world, finding a Hunter GSP9700 or its later model of road force balancer is easy to find, being manadatory for many franchise workshops. Over here there are only a few specialist tyre or enthusiastic dealers who not only have one, but also know how to get the best from it .( i.e. Giving the best diagnostics and advise to us)
Once you have the best assemblies on the front axle ( lowest RFE) then for sure if the vibration continues you are back to working through testing checking other components.
You tube search will show the Hunter unit, and over here you could try BalanceMyCar.co.uk to find someone who has one near to you.
Hope that helps
14th Nov 2020 4:26 pm
tgreer
Member Since: 12 Aug 2020
Location: Henley-on-Thames
Posts: 110
I've had the wheels balanced twice, and them swapped around.
Front lower arms, rear upper arms. tie rods and tie rod ends, new hub one side, other side replaced not long before I got it, new discs and pads at the front. Full service also.
This violent vibration comes through the steering wheel not the brake pedal when braking from ~70mph. I cannot replicate at lower speeds.
I've been for two hunter 4 wheel alignments, the first one we'll consider questionable, the 2nd one seems to have been reputable and actually did all the things.
DTI been run on the front discs whilst on the hubs and nothing there to write home about.
Any more suggestions?
7th Aug 2021 10:48 am
nigethecat
Member Since: 11 Sep 2016
Location: Marnoch
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Lower steering column ? I had this that manifested itself as a knocking when going over certain bumps (not all) but the steering just didn't feel quite right, diagnosed by DM after checking everything else.
Do you have a good indie nearby that would be willing to have a check if only to eliminate another cause?
Also what tyre pressures are you running ? equal all round or higher at one end ?I want to see the sweets before I get into your windowless van... I'm not stupid!
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7th Aug 2021 11:33 am
eightfoot
Member Since: 12 Apr 2015
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tgreer wrote:
I've had the wheels balanced twice, and them swapped around.
Front lower arms, rear upper arms. tie rods and tie rod ends, new hub one side, other side replaced not long before I got it, new discs and pads at the front. Full service also.
This violent vibration comes through the steering wheel not the brake pedal when braking from ~70mph. I cannot replicate at lower speeds.
I've been for two hunter 4 wheel alignments, the first one we'll consider questionable, the 2nd one seems to have been reputable and actually did all the things.
DTI been run on the front discs whilst on the hubs and nothing there to write home about.
Any more suggestions?
watching this closely as i have the same problem but some days it not noticeable other days it is and i have noticed its more likely to do it when the car has sat unused for a few days (only use it tue/wen/thurs)and after driving a few miles it seems less noticeable ,i think its tyres in my case I'm running Pirelli scorpions and will change the fronts for a different set soon just to eliminate them what tyres are you using ?please excuse any grammer/punctuation mistakes,i'm thick,thankyou
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7th Aug 2021 12:17 pm
tgreer
Member Since: 12 Aug 2020
Location: Henley-on-Thames
Posts: 110
nigethecat wrote:
Lower steering column ? I had this that manifested itself as a knocking when going over certain bumps (not all) but the steering just didn't feel quite right, diagnosed by DM after checking everything else.
Do you have a good indie nearby that would be willing to have a check if only to eliminate another cause?
Also what tyre pressures are you running ? equal all round or higher at one end ?
I can point my mechanic in that general direction. We've been focusing around the brakes mostly due to the fact it only really happens violently when braking.
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