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"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!" 
 
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Absolutely.
I would hate to be dating now. I've been with my missus since I was 15, I'm now 45. If I had to starting the dating thing all over again now I wouldn't have a clue!!
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Moo wrote:
I hate fkg cancel culture! Twisted Evil


Only a couple of months late but I've just discovered that in April the American Humanist Association stripped Richard Dawkins of an award they gave him 25 years ago(!) "for 'demean[ing] marginalised groups' using 'the guise of scientific discourse'". One "crime" was this year (comparing trans people to Rachel Dolezal, the civil rights activist who posed as a black woman for years) - his other thought-crime was something he wrote in 2015.

Another case of "you have the freedom of speech to say anything you want - as long as we agree with it"
 
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RRSTDV8 wrote:
We were lucky to grow up in simpler times.


Micky Flanagan sums it up nicely

 I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.  
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Says the man who has had a nanny for 50 years Rolling with laughter
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He doesn't want any of that cow's milk rubbish, does he? Rolling with laughter
 
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Re: WTF is happening in this country?

HWN wrote:
Lots of people running round Hyde Park with massive knives on Tuesday. One stabbed.

Time to give everyone a gun - that'd deter 'em. What a Censored -hole London is... Neutral



we just had similar bunch running after each other on the estate with weird "tools"
now we have copper cars patrolling area although one of them gone in dead end earlier and all people out on street were loughing

our youth is getting so much brighter from all BS media and no real interest in simple reading not to mention more complex sciences

we are all fuked lol
  
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Says the man who has had a nanny for 50 years Rolling with laughter


And the man that thinks fish are now happy.

He's a parody of himself. Rolling with laughter
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I need to open another bottle. I oddly find myself in agreement with JRM Shocked
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RRSTDV8 wrote:
We were lucky to grow up in simpler times.


I'm pretty sure most of us wouldn't want to be judged by what we were like at 15-16-17 or whatever not that we were 'bad' all the time but I bet we all had 'moments' that would be totally unacceptable in todays society but we didn't have it all recorded and paraded over the internet or beamed to phones live as it happened.

When I left school and started work (@ 16) my dad took me to one side and gave me a warning that was "don't get a girl pregnant" (that phrase itself enough to get someone up in arms these days) and "don't bring the police to my front door". However his one piece of real wisdom was "act in public like I'm stood behind you".

Wasn't much for fatherly chats was my dad but the bits he did impart had a positive impact on me and I try to live to a standard he would expect.

I did a few stupid things as a late teen but they had no lasting impact but I'd hate to be 'cancelled', lose my job, be ostracised, etc. for a moment of idiocy from 40'ish years ago but the level of today's idiocy far surpass things from my youth; knives, drugs, gang violence, etc. They were there but the minority not the 'norm'
  
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And, as if by magic, this is an excerpt from the newsletter of the Free Speech Union on the same subject:

FSU wrote:
The hounding of cricketer Ollie Robinson for nine year-old tweets has shown once again the need to pushback against the Witch-Finder Generals. That teenagers make off-colour jokes should surprise nobody, but in modern Britain it’s enough to destroy careers. Toby wrote about this for the Mail earlier this week. We’re pleased to see Oliver Dowden, the Culture Secretary, and the Prime Minister defending Robinson and telling the England and Wales Cricket Board to “think again” over the decision to suspend him and place him under investigation – even though Robinson has already apologised. Matthew Syed in the Times writes that cancel culture “is like a virus that people catch, finding hitherto undiscovered wells of pleasure in the bringing down of people for past sins, stretching back into youthful adolescence. The idea of rehabilitation, still less forgiveness, is ruled out of court.”

Further players have been dragged into the storm since the offence archaeologists sifted through Robinson’s old tweets and even Wisden, the cricketing almanac, has joined in, prompting harsh criticism from fans. The sleuths at Wisden “discovered” one post made by a player when he was just 15. FSU director Douglas Murray says in the Sun that this whole affair demonstrates the “stupid, unforgiving and vengeful way in which we now treat people”. You can read Rod Liddle’s caustic take on the “controversy” here.

Meanwhile, the Greens have dropped their Batley and Spen by-election candidate – the rugby league international player Ross Peltier – for posts he made as a teenager. As long as this is considered an acceptable tactic for bringing people down we recommend all our members install Tweet Delete, an app that deletes everything you’ve ever said on Twitter that’s more than a week old. It’s a lot cheaper than hiring a “social media scrubber”.


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astonbuilder wrote:
RRSTDV8 wrote:
We were lucky to grow up in simpler times.


I'm pretty sure most of us wouldn't [...]


I agree with you, but we didn't have phones etc., with all of the baggage that comes with that. If we wanted to get a girl naked we had to talk to her etc., not just bombard her with text messages.

I don't envy them, that's for sure.
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RRSTDV8 wrote:

The same with those who would prevent "unsuitable" people from talking at the Oxford Union. You don't, in my opinion, show how someone is wrong by simply banning them from talking. Much better to debate with them and demonstrate why their position is wrong/untenable/whatever. Nothing like publicly taking apart someone's position in a logical and thoughtful way to stop the propagation of that position. If you want to stop the spread of an extremist view, take it apart in debate and show why it's misconceived. Just banning the speaker effectively makes them a political martyr in the eyes of their followers.


It happened a few years ago when Nick Griffin of the BNP appeared on Question Time. The audience (and panel) howled him down any time he ways speaking, denying him the opportunity to expose his racist and offensive views for all to hear. It would have been far better to let him speak and reveal himself to be the Censored that he truly is.
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