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===Quick Function Check===
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You can quickly check that your FBH is working as intended by the factory by getting the external temperature sensor cold. Either remove it and place in the freezer for 15 minutes, or use a "cold spray" or air duster to chill the sensor in situ.
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Check the external temperature in the dash display is below 6 degC, then start the engine. Assuming you have sufficient fuel and the engine is cold or cool, the FBH will start or attempt to start.
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A non functioning or partly functioning FBH will require further diagnostics and/or resetting/servicing.
  
 
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Revision as of 21:49, 18 December 2014

Discovery 3 TDV6 may be fitted with a Webasto Thermo Top V fuel burning heater, and is used in the Discovery 3 to provide auxiliary heating of the engine coolant during cold weather. This is largely to aid emissions and to speed up cabin warm up.

Fitment

Although fitted to all UK TDV6s, it is not fitted to all TDV6 vehicles in all markets.

Notably, those in "warm" climates are not equipped.

Automatic Operation - Smoke From Front of Vehicle

Outside air temp below 6 degrees C? Engine temp less than 75 degrees C? Low fuel warning light NOT on?

Then don't worry, its the Webasto Fuel Burning heater starting up.

The function of the heater is to assist the very efficient TDV6 to warm up on cold starts, by burning diesel fuel to directly heat the coolant in the engine. One problem with modern diesels is that they are so efficient that they don't produce enough heat to warm the coolant enough to ensure efficient running.

When it starts (after about 1 minute from initial engine start) it will emit some smoke and steam from the front of the front left wheel arch. As the FBH reaches max power, it will burn cleanly with no smoke. You should not see smoke for more than a minute or so. You should see the smoke emitting from a small vertical exhaust located forward of the left-side front wheel.

You cannot control the operation of the FBH on the D3 (unless you have modified it - see below), it is fully automatic.

Park Heater Functionality

Park heating is when the FBH is operated with the vehicle engine off, to warm up the engine coolant.

Very early Discovery 3's had park heater settings in the Settings Menu but this was removed as part of the Enhancement Programme in 2005.

There are many ways to retrofit park heater functionality to the D3's FBH.

  • A Webasto 1533 (oval) timer can be fitted on its own to provide in-car push-button park heating without remote control.
  • A modification to the Webasto 1533 timer allows remote operation by using a GSM module (with SIM card) and either a phone call or SMS text message. Alternatively a remote "plip" and receiver can be used in place of the GSM module.
  • Site member stapldm has created comprehensive instructions for fitting a park heater timer, with an option for remote control, which effectively retrofits the park heater functionality.
  • A kit is available from Danhag to operate the FBH and cabin fans from a phone call. A similar kit is available from Bell Auto Services.
  • Land Rover released an official kit for the Russian Market, based on a Webasto 1533 timer.
  • A self build kit developed by alex_pescaru is detailed in this thread

See below for more information on these options.

Connecting to the FBH

Connecting any controller or the Webasto diagnostics requires using the WBUS connection to the FBH. On the Thermo Top V this is available at pin 2 of the FBH's 8 pin connector.

Only the very earliest Discovery 3's are factory-fitted with a WBUS control wire in pin 2 of the 8-pin FBH connector (a leftover from the deleted Settings menu functionality). This is the red wire in the photo on the left below.

All other D3s will require an wire adding as they have no red wire (right hand photo).

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Very early D3 with red wire fitted Typical D3 with no red wire fitted

If you need to add this wire, the site shop carries the correct, fully sealed terminals on a wire for an easy, robust and factory-quality connection.

Buy from the shop £1.20 + postage

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Other wiring solutions generally require manually sealing a non-correct terminal into the 8 pin connector.

Fitting the control wire

Thanks for stapldm for these instructions:

  1. Remove the 8 pin connector from the FBH by squeezing the two side clips and pulling away from the FBH.
  2. From the connecting face (not the side with the wires emerging), using a stiff thin piece of wire or an opened out paperclip gently push the blanking plug out of the pin 2 hole.
  3. With reference to this photo:
    wiki1_FBH%20PLUG.jpg
    Above the number 3 pin marking is a pink slider, which looks like this:  - - · 
  4. Using your straightened out paperclip again gently press into the right hand side of the middle 'dash' (exactly above the number 3) so that the paperclip is at 45 degrees and pushing towards the 'dot'.
  5. The pink slider should move a couple of mm until the latch bump that was at the right of the second dash ends up in the dot. The slider is now in the "unlocked" position.
  6. Look for the barb on the terminal you're about to fit. When you fit it, the barb points towards the pink slider.
  7. Fit the connector into hole number 2 from the wire side. You will hear it "click" when it is correctly fitted.
  8. Using your straightened out paperclip gently press into the 'dot' so that the paperclip is at 45 degrees and pushing towards the middle 'dash' to return the pink slider to the "locked" position.

Webasto 1533 Timer and modifications

As above Stapldm compiled an excellent and very easy to follow write up on how to carry out a

Following on from Stapldm's work Wiggs went a step further for the technophiles by perfecting a

Much later jdhx added details of his implementation using a two button remote to give an on and off button with audible and visual indication of the state of the FBH. This included wiring diagram, parts list (with an alternative source of the oval timer plug) and photo.

Since September 2013 the oval timer plugs are now available from the site shop

Buy from the shop £2.69 + postage

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Danhag

A kit is available commercially from Danhag in Germany to operate the FBH as a park heater and the cabin fans to warm the interior. See Danhag FBH Kit Notes for installation, configuration and operation notes.

Bell Auto Services

BAS supply a controller with diagnostic functionality built in.

See http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/post815538.html#815538

As of April 2012 a GSM upgrade is now available for the BAS controller.

Build your own

Site member alex_pescaru has developed and released circuit diagrams and software for a DIY controller using the Land Rover button on the key fob.

See http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic106191.html

Russian Market Kit

Land Rover did release an option for a pre-heat/cabin warmer timer (Webasto based) to be fitted in cold climates.

Speak to your dealer for information, though it was only released for Russia and is difficult to obtain as a kit in other markets.

Webasto T91

It has been reported that the Webasto T91 receiver will not control the Discovery 3 FBH: http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/post1102351.html#1102351

Resetting

You may be able to reset a "locked out" (non operational) FBH by removing the power supply from it for a few minutes.

  • Turn the engine off, ignition off and remove the key.
  • Either:
    • remove Fuse 28 from the engine bay fuse box:

      wiki1_fbh-fuse.jpg
    • or remove the two-pin connector (C0926 in this photo) from the FBH. The blade of the D3 key can help to remove the clip:

      wiki1_fbh-connector.jpg
  • Remove one of these and replace after a minute or so.

If this does not reset your FBH then you may have a more complicated error which requires diagnostics. To read and clear these fault(s) you should use one of the diagnostic methods below.

Diagnostics

The FBH unit can be diagnosed using the (free) Webasto software and either a custom made loom or by wiring the WBUS back to the vehicle's OBD port.

To use the Webasto ThermoTest software you will need a basic USB to OBD K-line adapter. These are listed on eBay as KKL or 409 adapters, often for Volkswagen Group cars. This adapter is the sort of thing: Click Here or Click Here

The FBH can also be diagnosed with a Land Rover specific fault code reader - e.g. Faultmate FCR/MSV2, Autologic or IDS. These connect to the OBD port on the car (under the steering wheel), not directly to the FBH.

The latest Webasto ThermoTest software is version 2.14 and currently runs on Windows only.


Further topics

Diagnostic Loom

Details of the diagnostic loom have been supplied by IanNP here: http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/post616222.html#616222

Wiring Diagram (click to zoom):

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Some members have noted that with some OBD adapters the ground connection should be made to pin 4 instead of pin 5, this is now mentioned in the diagram

Wiring to OBD port

Note: photos and more details to follow, if any questions in the meantime please email martin@disco3.co.uk

After connecting to the FBH as above, extend the wire through the bulkhead and down to the OBD port under the steering wheel.

You then need to join this to an additional OBD port terminal wire, available from the site shop:

Buy from the shop £0.95 + postage

This terminal should then be fitted to cavity number 7 in the diagnostic connector, which is empty from the factory.

The connector is located underneath the steering wheel and above the pedals, and is accessed (for fitting the additional wire) by removing the footwell closing panel (a few screws).

(Photos of removing OBD port and fitting wire to follow)

You can then use the USB/OBD adapter mentioned above to plug straight into the diagnostic port and the Webasto software to diagnose the FBH.

Webasto Fault Codes

These are the fault codes reported by the Webasto diagnostic software. Depending on the version, the fault code may be reported in this format: 3Ah (i.e. ending in an 'h' instead of starting '0x'. To convert to the format given here, remove the 'h' and add '0x' at the start - so 3Ah is equivalent to 0x3A on this list.

List kindly supplied by alex_pescaru.

Code (Hex) Description
0x01 Defective control unit
0x02 No start
0x03 Flame failure
0x04 Supply voltage too high
0x05 Flame was detected prior to combustion
0x06 Heating unit overheated
0x07 Heating unit interlocked
0x08 Metering pump short circuit
0x09 Combustion air fan short circuit
0x0A Glow plug/flame monitor short circuit
0x0B Circulation pump short circuit
0x0C No comunication to air condition
0x0D Green LED short circuit
0x0E Yellow LED short circuit
0x0F No configuraton signal
0x10 Solenoid valve short circuit
0x11 ECU wrong coded
0x12 W-Bus comunication failure
0x13 Vehicle fan relay short circuit
0x14 Temperature sensor short circuit
0x15 Combustion air fan blocked
0x16 Battery main switch short circuit
0x17 Invalid air flow reduction
0x19 Glow plug/electronic ignition short circuit
0x1A Flame sensor short circuit
0x1B Overheat short circuit
0x1D Solenoid valve shed test short circuit
0x1E Fuel sensor short circuit
0x1F Nozzle stock heating short circuit
0x20 Operation indicator short circuit
0x21 Flame indicator short circuit
0x22 Reference resistance wrong
0x23 Crash interlock activated
0x24 Car is almost out of fuel
0x25 Fuel pre heating short circuit
0x26 PCB temperature sensor short circuit
0x27 Ground contact to the ECU broken
0x28 Board net energy manager low power voltage
0x29 Fuel priming still not done
0x2A Error in the radio telegram
0x2B Telestart still not programmed
0x2C The pressure sensor has short circuit
0x32 No start from control idle period
0x33 Flame monitor signal invalid
0x34 Default values entered
0x35 EOL programming has not been carried out
0x36 Thermal fuse short circuit
0x45 Error relay box (short circuit/open circuit of heating relay)
0x50 User interface idle-Mode (no-communication)
0x51 User interface has communication fault
0x52 User interface send no defined operating mode
0x53 Heater fan status message negative
0x54 Heater fan status bus has short circuit to UB
0x55 Temperature water sensor failure
0x56 Temperature water sensor short circuit to UB
0x57 Overheating water temperature sensor
0x58 Overstepping water temperature sensor gradient
0x59 Overheating blow temperature sensor
0x5A Overstepping low temperature sensor gradient
0x5B Overheating printed circuit board temperature sensor
0x5C Overstepping printed circuit board temp sensor gradient
0x5D Cabin temperature sensor failure
0x5E Flame detector gradient failure
0x5F Emergency cooling
0x81 EOL checksum error
0x82 No start during test-run
0x83 Flame failure
0x84 Operating voltage too low
0x85 Flame was detected after combustion
0x87 Heater lock-out permanent
0x88 Fuel pump failure
0x89 Combustion air fan interruption
0x8A Glow plug / flame monitor interruption
0x8B Circulation pump interruption
0x8D Green LED interruption
0x8E Yellow LED interruption
0x90 Solenoid valve interruption
0x91 Control unit locked or coded as neutral
0x92 Command refresh failure
0x94 Temperature sensor interruption
0x95 Combustion air fan tight
0x97 Overheat sensor position wrong
0x98 Fault 152 (Power supply interruption)
0x99 Glow plug / electronic ignition unit interruption
0x9A Flame sensor interruption
0x9B Setpoint transmitter invalid
0x9C Intelligent undervoltage detection
0x9D Solenoid valve shed test interruption
0x9E Fuel sensor interruption
0x9F Nozzle stock heating interruption
0xA0 Operating indicator interruption
0xA1 Flame indicator interruption
0xA5 Fuel pre heating interruption
0xA6 PCB temperature sensor interruption
0xA8 Communication board net energy manager error
0xAA Send on W-Bus not succeed
0xAB Overheat sensor interruption
0xAC The pressure sensor failure
0xB6 Thermal fuse interrupted
0xFF Unknown error code

Quick Function Check

You can quickly check that your FBH is working as intended by the factory by getting the external temperature sensor cold. Either remove it and place in the freezer for 15 minutes, or use a "cold spray" or air duster to chill the sensor in situ.

Check the external temperature in the dash display is below 6 degC, then start the engine. Assuming you have sufficient fuel and the engine is cold or cool, the FBH will start or attempt to start.

A non functioning or partly functioning FBH will require further diagnostics and/or resetting/servicing.

Servicing

Should you have a faulty FBH which is not fixed by clearing the faults or lock out - i.e. it is not starting or is belching smoke on start, then you may want to service it.

The workshop manual for the ThermoTop V is available here: http://www.disco3.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/24044/Disco_3_FBH_Workshop_Manual_Thermo_Top_V.pdf

The workshop manual will assist in disassembling the heater, see Section 9 onwards.

The burner is commonly clogged with soot, this should be cleared out after removing the delicate injector.

See this thread for a photo of the burner: http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic117926.html