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^^^
whichis exactly the same as happened with diesel all those years ago.... incentives, cheap VED etc. Therefore IMO the same is going to happen with Electric cars, there are already the incentives and the cheap VED but once they become more common than diesels or petrols then the prices of charging, and the jealousy tax (such as the 40k+ extra VED on new cars currently) will be hiked again.
Its the roller coaster of car ownership i guess2011 D4 XS 305 MY12 - gone but not forgotten
9th Jun 2021 11:08 am
pjm-84
Member Since: 04 Oct 2016
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 2608
rrhool wrote:
1/2p more to be carbon neutral? how does that work then?
If you fill up with Shell the "energy" used is offset against carbon neutral implementation. This is independently certified. However this costs Shell so going forward they need a shared contribution to remain in the scheme. Hence the 0.5p which is nowt.
Can only find the business scheme but this is also an option for private users.
Member Since: 23 Jun 2019
Location: South Glos
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rrhool wrote:
They'll have to put tax on electricity used for road miles. It's just the start, and they are easing everyone in to EVs with the the tax incentives now, it'll have to change!
One of the reasons why they keep pushing smart meters so they can start variable pricing
9th Jun 2021 12:21 pm
pjm-84
Member Since: 04 Oct 2016
Location: Hampshire
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Variable pricing already exists.
9th Jun 2021 12:33 pm
Grumpydog
Member Since: 10 Apr 2019
Location: Medway/ Mos Eisley
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I paid 128.9 at Tesco yesterday, that's up 2p since last week.
As for emission levels, I run a commercial vehicle workshop for a worldwide distribution company and have been in the trade for over 20 years. The latest Euro 6 levels are gained by using SCR (adblue) and EGR together. We cannot get a reading out of the MOT for emissions as they are too clean for the machine to detect anything.
The exhaust box on our trucks retail at around £10,000 to £12,000 with the DPF requiring changing every 4th oil change at the cost of £900. They are like chemical plants with 2 catalyists, a DPF and more sensors than you think are there. It is certainly a massive difference from when I was an apprentice and on a cold start up there was so much black smoke you didn't want to be anywhere near the things.
We don't pay anywhere near forecourt prices as we buy at 36,000 litres a time and have a national account. However, imagine how much the treasury make out of the transport industry. We get an average of 12mpg from a truck. The tank on a unit hold about 400 litres of diesel. Plus the VED which is £560 per year per truck. So if we pay £1 per litre, a driver tops up with 300 litres that's £180 to the treasury (at 60% tax paid at the pump). Per day per truck. And on the site where I work we have a mixture of vans, and small to large trucks that total 65 vehicles. So over a year our largest trucks would pay just over £47,000 in fuel duty and VED. Each. Makes my Disco look rather frugal in comparison.2004 Disco 3 HSE TDV6
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9th Jun 2021 1:00 pm
pjm-84
Member Since: 04 Oct 2016
Location: Hampshire
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Nice @ 12mpg.
Old man use to be an OO running an DAF2800 in the 80s. 6 to 7mpg @ 38 tonnes. VED back then on a 2 axle tractor unit was circa > £3000 PA
9th Jun 2021 1:35 pm
Grumpydog
Member Since: 10 Apr 2019
Location: Medway/ Mos Eisley
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They are improving as that is what the demand is now, more mpg and less emissions, less running costs and less down time. The VED is now based on what type and how many axles you run as well. We have 3 axle units and trailers all on air suspension which helps.
Mind you the cost of fuel now probably offsets the drop in VED!2004 Disco 3 HSE TDV6
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9th Jun 2021 3:26 pm
Trailered Movements
Member Since: 16 Jan 2020
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I wonder how long it will be before someone admits the corrosive elements a fully regulated adblue exhaust system produces.
It might not be particles, but I wouldn't want a child of mine in a pushchair breathing in these 'clean' emissions.
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9th Jun 2021 3:37 pm
nigethecat
Member Since: 11 Sep 2016
Location: Marnoch
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Just filled up at my local Tesco and it was £1.32 per litre
I wouldn’t mind so much but the stuff is only brought to the surface less than 50 miles away! I want to see the sweets before I get into your windowless van... I'm not stupid!
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9th Jun 2021 4:14 pm
rrhool
Member Since: 28 Aug 2014
Location: Norfolk
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You could buy it direct from the well Nige, but it might be a bit thick! More filter changes?Richard
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If you had a petrol car, you might be able to get some drip-gas from them - might reduce the life of the engine slightly (a lot!)
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9th Jun 2021 5:19 pm
nigethecat
Member Since: 11 Sep 2016
Location: Marnoch
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rrhool wrote:
You could buy it direct from the well Nige, but it might be a bit thick! More filter changes?
I do happen to know where the Forties pipeline runs from where it comes ashore at Cruden Bay but they do tend to get rather upset if you try to do a hot-tap on the main UK pipeline
Lots of other options will be up and running in this area soon including hydrogen but I can't see Tesco's offering that just yet I want to see the sweets before I get into your windowless van... I'm not stupid!
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9th Jun 2021 5:34 pm
gstuart
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: kent
Posts: 14177
rrhool wrote:
You could buy it direct from the well Nige, but it might be a bit thick! More filter changes?
Ah, but we know that nige would set up a still and start selling 1000% proof alocohol,
9th Jun 2021 9:02 pm
UNG
Member Since: 20 Jun 2008
Location: Lancs
Posts: 773
pjm-84 wrote:
Variable pricing already exists.
It doesn't on a 15 or 30 minute instantaneous profile relative to grid load which is where they want to go with load shedding and selective power cuts if demand is too high. The SMETS specification document makes interesting reading"Never keep up with the Joneses. Drag'em down to your level. It's cheaper".
10th Jun 2021 8:34 am
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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HWN wrote:
If you had a petrol car, you might be able to get some drip-gas from them - might reduce the life of the engine slightly (a lot!)
Ooh, interesting read. I didn't realise that Coleman fuel (for camping stoves) started out as white gas aka drip gas.
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