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norraban
 


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Aedo wrote,
"While good to look at the whole product I am a bit skeptical that the Prius will be scrapped at 100k miles and while the Hummer will soldier on for 300k - seems an arbitrary decision which clearly overrides other factors."

I'm afraid that I disagree with your comment above.

It's due to something that won't dawn on most Hyrid owners until the car is 8 - 10 years old. That’s when the battery pack for the electric motors will need replacing and that’s when owners will discover how much a new battery pack will cost. In a Prius for example, you wont get much change out of 6 grand in today's dollars. Ask yourself - Would you spend 6 grand on a 10 year old car ? Assuming that you wouldn't, what you are left with is a car that has a small petrol motor carting around you and your stuff and a large lump of inert electric motors and a lot of heavy clapped out batteries.
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Post #31142818th Jun 2008 3:05 am
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Aedo
 


Member Since: 22 Nov 2007
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norraban wrote:
Aedo wrote:

"While good to look at the whole product I am a bit skeptical that the Prius will be scrapped at 100k miles and while the Hummer will soldier on for 300k - seems an arbitrary decision which clearly overrides other factors."


I'm afraid that I disagree with your comment above.

It's due to something that won't dawn on most Hyrid owners until the car is 8 - 10 years old. That’s when the battery pack for the electric motors will need replacing and that’s when owners will discover how much a new battery pack will cost. In a Prius for example, you wont get much change out of 6 grand in today's dollars. Ask yourself - Would you spend 6 grand on a 10 year old car ? Assuming that you wouldn't, what you are left with is a car that has a small petrol motor carting around you and your stuff and a large lump of inert electric motors and a lot of heavy clapped out batteries.

True - the cost of replacing the battery pack will be high and as such it is possible that people won't do it. That doesn't mean that they will scrap the vehicle though - it is just that the hybrid component won't work as well (the batteries won't be completely defunct). In a similar vein - who is going to maintain a Hummer for 300k miles? It is an expensive vehicle to run both in terms of fuel consumption and maintenance. So I stick to my statement that putting an unequal mileage component into that comparison renders it meaningless.
  
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Rob Bruce
 


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Whoes going to maintain a Hummer after 300,000 km ummmmmm
Not a Hummer though, but my work vechle Tojo HJ75 is 20 yo and done 360,000 km, engine still up to specs,
no rust, good fuel economy, utterly reliable and still looks good, Why would I change for a new one when it
does all I wont it to do.
So in my opinion some vechles can and do go for ages perfectly well.
Also I still have my first car , miles unknown, been on reg all its life and is 84 years old and I have had it for around 37 years.
SHMBO other car 59 years old and she has had it for 22 years.
So some cars if well maintained keep on going Very Happy

Rob
  
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Aedo
 


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Rob Bruce wrote:
Whoes going to maintain a Hummer after 300,000 km ummmmmm
Not a Hummer though, but my work vechle Tojo HJ75 is 20 yo and done 360,000 km, engine still up to specs,
no rust, good fuel economy, utterly reliable and still looks good, Why would I change for a new one when it
does all I wont it to do.
So in my opinion some vechles can and do go for ages perfectly well.

Absolutely right! Some vehicles do go for ever - Tojo - 300k - no worries - just run in! I work in the mining industry and demolish LCs at a rapid rate (underground is an extreme environment - the only successful choice is the LandCruiser and 2yrs is the maximum expected life and even that requires a maintenance budget many times the initial purchase price of the vehicle). One of the underground contracting companies tried Hummers as an LC replacement (miltary tough - composite body - unlimited k warranty -etc) but gave them back before the lease expired due to downtime and that they were just too expensive to maintain and operate.

Rob Bruce wrote:
Also I still have my first car , miles unknown, been on reg all its life and is 84 years old and I have had it for around 37 years.
SHMBO other car 59 years old and she has had it for 22 years.
So some cars if well maintained keep on going Very Happy

Rob

Cool! I plan to keep my current car for that long (here's hoping I last too!).


PS: I'll get off my soapbox now - the thread touched on one of my favourite topics Whistle
  
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razzle
 


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Aedo wrote:
I work in the mining industry and demolish LCs at a rapid rate (underground is an extreme environment - the only successful choice is the LandCruiser and 2yrs is the maximum expected life and even that requires a maintenance budget many times the initial purchase price of the vehicle).




I worked at one mine where we spent the equivalent of purchase price every 3 months on maintenance.
Patrols make better u/g vehicles (I will duck for cover now) If I had a dollar for everytime I had to use a drill steel to hit the starter motor of a landcruiser engine to get it to start, I would be driving a FFRR
 Trust me, what could go wrong?  
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