nigethecat
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Just read this story in Aberdeen where a guy defending his home and elderly parents received a sentence three times longer than the scum bag that had broken in to steal things... where do we go next ?
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/news/l...th-bb-gun/
Happy to send the link to the petition to those interested... I want to see the sweets before I get into your windowless van... I'm not stupid!
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DG
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No context and subscription required ....that's worth a few months in clink by itself   21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 26th Jul 2021 10:53 pm |
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Rescue01
Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
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I’ve not clicked to subscribe to my local rag so can’t read the whole story. The link below is one I found and suggested the defendant pulled a BB gun on the thief in a public place! That’s just plain stupid.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottis...e-24564685
My thoughts on thieves/burglars and what should be done to them especially if caught in my house can’t be published here. 
I keep my gun cabinet well secured.
If you could post the link to the petition I would be interested to read it. 
Edit. Found the link. Looks like there are different views on what happened. Not like the Evening Express to print a unfactual story,useless p####s. Its not the height of the fall but the sudden stop at the bottom that hurts!!
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| 27th Jul 2021 7:16 am |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
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Quote:Sheriff Graham Buchanan said: "I can't say I have huge sympathy for the complainer because he seems to have brought this upon himself, but the accused's response to it was completely over the top."
The sheriff said the "really alarming aspect of the whole matter" was that it happened in front of innocent members of the public.
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| 27th Jul 2021 7:38 am |
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nigethecat
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The other version was that the thief had previously come into the house where the defendant lived and threatened his elderly parents when they tried to stop him walking out with stuff.. sounds like someone that deserves "proper justice" rather than the slap on the wrist that the courts hand out.
As for the guy with the BB gun, one thing to have it in your house, another to go walking down the street looking for someone, irrespective the sentence seems unduly harsh... I want to see the sweets before I get into your windowless van... I'm not stupid!
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| 27th Jul 2021 7:45 am |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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The initial headline looks like the OP is correct - that the system is screwed up. But further information suggests that the guy is getting what he deserved. Yes, the "well known" oik needs to be better dealt with as it is implied he's a serial offender, but threatening to shoot people is always going to get you slapped hard by the courts. Indeed, doing that in some places, will have you face to face with armed police who will be armed with real firearms, not just BB guns.
It's worth pointing out that people have died after being shot with BB guns, although it's usually children. A BB gun at point blank range will certainly do serious damage if fired at the head - blinding an eye, for example, even if not killing someone.
So sympathy is lacking here, I'm afraid. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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| 27th Jul 2021 7:51 am |
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RRSTDV8
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nigethecat wrote:The other version was that the thief had previously come into the house where the defendant lived and threatened his elderly parents when they tried to stop him walking out with stuff.. sounds like someone that deserves "proper justice" rather than the slap on the wrist that the courts hand out.
As for the guy with the BB gun, one thing to have it in your house, another to go walking down the street looking for someone, irrespective the sentence seems unduly harsh...
If the oik had been into someone's house and threatened them, then getting the police involved would be the right thing to do. If he's doing that sort of thing, then he ought to be put away for a bit. Unfortunately, the sort that is habitual is not going to be prevented from doing it next time he's freed from prison. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 27th Jul 2021 7:56 am |
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Mikeyb
Member Since: 08 Nov 2016
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Why would anyone have a BB gun? Not such a Disco Newbie now!
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| 27th Jul 2021 8:07 am |
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RogB
Member Since: 15 Jun 2018
Location: Mansfield
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BB Guns are no longer the simple 'toys' of old, they are now largely very accurate copies of actual firearms or realistic guns designed for airsoft.
My son is an airsoft marshall and recently had an incident where a young lad of around 14 was at the site with his dad, and when they started playing the scenario games this young lads weapon didnt sound right so the game was stopped.
as a back story, any personally owned weapons are tested for muzzle velocity before being allowed out the holding compounds, and adjusted if necessary to propel the plastic pellets within allowed velocity tolerances. But people are allowed to bring their own pellets rather than buy them from the site.
It was discovered it was a new airsoft rifle, very realistic replica of an actual weapon, but the young lad and his dad had brought metal pellets from the internet. Essentially this made the legal airsoft (BB) gun a lethal weapon with no modifications required.
the home owner should not have been publicly brandishing an airsoft or BB weapon, no argument there. But think of the James Martin incident when the burglar was shot dead several years ago... defending ones castle is quite literally a minefield. 2011 D4 XS 305 MY12 - gone but not forgotten
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| 27th Jul 2021 8:30 am |
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nigethecat
Member Since: 11 Sep 2016
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RRSTDV8 wrote:If the oik had been into someone's house and threatened them, then getting the police involved would be the right thing to do. If he's doing that sort of thing, then he ought to be put away for a bit. Unfortunately, the sort that is habitual is not going to be prevented from doing it next time he's freed from prison.
You've obviously never had dealings with Police Scotland  Not even in a brewery springs to mind from personal experience, chased off three guys who attacked me on my own property, called triple 9 to report it and was told "as they are no longer there its not an ongoing incident so you'll have to go to your local station when they open on Monday to report it"... my response was "well if I find dead body should I wait until the local station opens on Monday to report it as the person is dead (they can't get more dead can they?) the murder has been committed and therefore is no longer ongoing?" Complete waste of money and resources.. I want to see the sweets before I get into your windowless van... I'm not stupid!
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| 27th Jul 2021 8:38 am |
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RRSTDV8
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Quote:But think of the James Martin incident when the burglar was shot dead several years ago
That was Tony Martin. James Martin would have stabbed him with a chef's knife...
From memory, Tony Martin's "mistake" appears to have been shooting the burglar in the back, thus voiding a plea of self defence. If he'd shot him in the front of his body, he could have argued the burglar was coming at him and so he defended himself. Of course, in the heat of the moment such nuances are hardly likely to be at the forefront of one's mind.  Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 27th Jul 2021 8:39 am |
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RogB
Member Since: 15 Jun 2018
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well i almost got his name right 2011 D4 XS 305 MY12 - gone but not forgotten
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| 27th Jul 2021 9:14 am |
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Rescue01
Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
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There is a forum member with an avatar that reads something like “if your found here tonight you won’t be found here tomorrow “or dead tomorrow? with a picture of a pistol. Probably a sign that is used by many Americans. I think it sums up how many here feel about scum who break into houses Its not the height of the fall but the sudden stop at the bottom that hurts!!
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| 27th Jul 2021 10:32 am |
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RogB
Member Since: 15 Jun 2018
Location: Mansfield
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i have a joke sign i was given for my birthday that says ''TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT, SURVIVORS WILL BE SHOT AGAIN''
but i darent put it up on my gate since it was in the news that someone with the same sign had been approached by the police following calls from worried passers by. 2011 D4 XS 305 MY12 - gone but not forgotten
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| 27th Jul 2021 10:40 am |
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Trailered Movements
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I used to work with an American from 'The Deep South' who had a large ranch.
His kids, all under 10, knew how to use the guns kept at various places around the house.
Anyone who got that close to the house uninvited and didn't declare their presence, was fair game.
The only part of American law I agree with, as there is no excuse for anyone to go on someones elses property without invitation or reason.
Bring back the stocks and local lowlife scum would soon get their just deserts.
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