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I'd check that, as its classed IFAIK as a commercial, I have just had two Toyota pickup trucks stopped for speeding "70" on a dual carriageway
5th Aug 2007 11:30 am
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Were they 2 or 4 wheel drive?
4 wheel drive are classed differently to the 2 wheel drive ones.
Transits and Merc Sprinters etc are 60 mph as they are vans as are 2 wheel drive pick ups but 4 wheel drive double cabs and utility Land Rovers are in a different class and can do 70 mph
I read all this in Honest John in the Saturday Telegraph motoring section.
5th Aug 2007 4:40 pm
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Then it must be right then
5th Aug 2007 5:52 pm
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Under the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, a "car derived van" is defined as:-
A goods vehicle which is constructed or adapted as a derivative of a passenger vehicle and which has a maximum laden weight not exceeding 2 tonnes.
The important word in this definition is "and" as there are goods vehicles that look as if they are based on a passenger vehicle, but when the manufacturer puts a gross laden weight on the goods vehicle, which is the design weight of the vehicle plus the maximum load that it is designed to carry, and this exceeds 2 tonnes, that vehicle is no longer a car derived van. The van becomes an ordinary goods vehicle under 7.5 tonnes gross weight, and is therefore subject to the speed limits as shown in the Highway Code.
I seem to recall that the D3 weighs 2.75 tonne just for kerb weight ..so it is classed as a van if converted 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
5th Aug 2007 5:54 pm
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5th Aug 2007 5:59 pm
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...and there is no special dispensation for 4x4's that I can find anywhere
I seem to recall that the D3 weighs 2.75 tonne just for kerb weight ..so it is classed as a van if converted
Not so!
Despite my D3 SE being converted from new to being a 'van', the V5 calls it a car, the road tax is as per anybody elses D3, and even my commercial insurance has it classed as a 'modified car'. Ths was primarilly due to the V5 classification and also because the insurers couldn't find a D3 van on their system (at that time).
So, although I have a D3 van, I can drive at 70mph in more comfort than any LRSV commercial and all it costs me is the slightly higher road tax The older I get, the more I realise that people confuse wrinkles for wisdom
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5th Aug 2007 8:38 pm
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OK you know best in your case ...if the V5 shows it as a car then thats what it is ..but ISTR that yours was adapted prior to LR 'officially' producing a commercial 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
Yup! At least a year before LR made one. However, if I was looking for a van today, I would still ask Lakeland to produce it for the above reasons. So long as the VAT man is happy to call it a 'van' I'm happy The older I get, the more I realise that people confuse wrinkles for wisdom
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...and I think your still on thin ice BTW 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
It was inspected by C&E a few weeks ago and given the all clear The older I get, the more I realise that people confuse wrinkles for wisdom
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What ...to be a van or a car 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
To qualify for VAT reclaim. They weren't interested in seeing the V5. They have a (rigidly) set criteria for converted vehicles and VAT reclaim. No rear seats (hidden or otherwise). Flat loading bay. 100% tint from behind the (front) side windows. Rear belts removed and shear bolts (or welds) on the old rear seat mountings etc. Basically, it musn't be easy to convert back to a car in ten minutes. Lakelend already have a letter of comfort from HMC&E in respect of their 'conversions'. I also understand that LLR cannot provide 'van' purchasers with the removed seat items either
Just as well I got mine before that rule applied then...... The older I get, the more I realise that people confuse wrinkles for wisdom
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60 twice....... Does that mean I can do 120 The older I get, the more I realise that people confuse wrinkles for wisdom
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..but ISTR that yours was adapted prior to LR 'officially' producing a commercial 
