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muddywheels4wd
Member Since: 16 Dec 2010
Location: East Riding of Yorkshire
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http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/139022-l...mily-disco
Few details here of interest  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW
Still hoping for a S2 one day!
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 2nd Oct 2016 9:22 am |
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muddywheels4wd
Member Since: 16 Dec 2010
Location: East Riding of Yorkshire
Posts: 1681
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How can V6 only have 18bhp more than 2.0 ingenium  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW
Still hoping for a S2 one day!
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| 2nd Oct 2016 9:24 am |
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Someone-Gone
Member Since: 21 Dec 2015
Location: Gone
Posts: 5117
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Oh, that would so unusual for LR to embelish the facts about performance, mpg, the list is endless. The only thing that I find surprising is people's ability to swallow it hook, line and sinker again and again.
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| 2nd Oct 2016 9:32 am |
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muddywheels4wd
Member Since: 16 Dec 2010
Location: East Riding of Yorkshire
Posts: 1681
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/land-...tures-and/
44 bhp here Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW
Still hoping for a S2 one day!
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| 2nd Oct 2016 9:47 am |
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50978
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Of course no other manufacturer has been able to produce high output small engines ...it must therefore be all an LR lie  21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 2nd Oct 2016 9:52 am |
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muddywheels4wd
Member Since: 16 Dec 2010
Location: East Riding of Yorkshire
Posts: 1681
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Quote:Land Rover’s Activity key wristband is a first, allowing you to lock the conventional key in the car while you’re out running or surfing, for example.
Once wearing the waterproof wristband, you simply leave the key in the car and hold your wrist up to the ‘D’ in the Discovery badge on the car's boot. This locks the vehicle and disables the ordinary key, meaning it can be left safely inside.
First keyless now this - I hope it's more secure Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW
Still hoping for a S2 one day!
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| 2nd Oct 2016 9:59 am |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7441
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muddywheels4wd wrote:How can V6 only have 18bhp more than 2.0 ingenium
That's because outright maximum horsepower and even outright maximum torque figures are only two simplified ways of measuring an engine's power characteristics. Whilst I'm sure that it would be possible to re-tune the Ingenium to match, or even beat, both the peak torque and BHP figures of the V6, it would probably make for very poor power delivery characteristics. As it is, driving the the 2.0 litre Ingenium engine in an Jaguar XE, it feels very much like a petrol engine already (and not in a good way).
To make any meaningful comparisons, they would need to publish dynometer charts, plotting both BHP and torque curves against engine speed. But they don't, not as far as I can see  2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
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2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
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| 2nd Oct 2016 9:59 am |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6270
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The 240 will at least be better than the awful 180 I had in my Evoque loan car, it just felt gutless and not any smoother than the 190 SD4 (PSA) engine in my DS.
The F-Pace has the activity key, useful apparently but not worth the £315 option price IMO. Question is will this new Disco still have the same old pebble key that's been around for years? 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 2nd Oct 2016 10:03 am |
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muddywheels4wd
Member Since: 16 Dec 2010
Location: East Riding of Yorkshire
Posts: 1681
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So if the 2.0 does 0-62 in 8.3 secs why bother with the V6 8.1 secs and expense  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW
Still hoping for a S2 one day!
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| 2nd Oct 2016 10:03 am |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6270
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SE 2.0 and 3.0 based on my build is £1500 difference, on a PCP deal the 3.0 is £6380 more on the GMFV.
Plus the V6 sounds better. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 2nd Oct 2016 10:06 am |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7441
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J77 wrote:The 240 will at least be better than the awful 180 I had in my Evoque loan car, it just felt gutless and not any smoother than the 190 SD4 (PSA) engine in my DS.
Why should the 240 feel any better? 240 BHP could be achieved with exactly the same torque characteristics as the 180 (ie gutless bottom end), simply by raising the rev limiter and multiplying what ever torque remains at higher revs by a higher rpm.
With the greatest of respect, maximum BHP figures alone are absolutely meaningless. 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 2nd Oct 2016 10:08 am |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7441
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muddywheels4wd wrote:So if the 2.0 does 0-62 in 8.3 secs why bother with the V6 8.1 secs and expense
Because, like BHP figures alone, 0-62 figures tell you very little about the overall way that an engine drives. Unless all that you do is accelerate from 0-62 perpetually, then you'll probably want to know how well it pulls with a trailer, whether you need lots of gear shifting to keep the engine "on the boil" or how well it overtakes without the need to wake all your passengers up as the engine screams its undersized heart out. 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 2nd Oct 2016 10:14 am |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6270
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180, 430Nm at 1750rpm
240, 500Nm at 1500rpm
It should be a bit more punchy, but if you take into account the extra weight, maybe not. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 2nd Oct 2016 10:40 am |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7441
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That's a start, but it's still only at one engine speed and tells us little of what the engine's like. I've found a torque curve for the SDV6, but won't put it up unless I can find the corresponding one for the Ingenium.
Looking now.... 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 2nd Oct 2016 11:09 am |
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AN
Member Since: 26 Jul 2005
Location: Hungary
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It is on page 69 of new Discovery brochure. LR D3 S Black, Auto TDV6
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| 2nd Oct 2016 11:16 am |
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