J77
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Location: Fife
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Or a Ford Explorer  23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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.. 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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APL
Member Since: 14 Sep 2011
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Volume?
It will (would) be interesting to see how many new Discovery models are being built per hour in Solihull. The D4 was around 250 vehicles per shift. I imagine the new build processes are significantly quicker as there is probably a lot more automation and less manual input.....? 2016 Discovery 4 Commercial
2019 Discovery 5 HSE
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| 22nd Oct 2016 9:43 am |
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neilk
Member Since: 27 Aug 2010
Location: Berkshire
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They said on the tour the capacity of the line is 1800 a day. That is RR, RR Sport and D5 mixed so not sure it will be hugely different. From memory engine supply on the V6 was also a constraint so maybe the 2.0 for the D5 and RRS will remove that as it is JLR built.
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| 22nd Oct 2016 12:40 pm |
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APL
Member Since: 14 Sep 2011
Location: Europe
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And therein lies one of the problems with the whole thing:
Supply cannot meet demand......
I still say build more and sell at lower prices...... 2016 Discovery 4 Commercial
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| 22nd Oct 2016 7:17 pm |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
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Does anyone know what their reason is for there seemingly being a 6 month's gap in production between building the last D4 and delivering the first D5's? I can't think of a single example where a manufacturer has has a new design ready and then decided to take a 6 month production holiday  2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 23rd Oct 2016 2:37 pm |
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DG
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Capacity issues and complications integrating the D5 on the line mean that you won't see many until early 2017. 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 23rd Oct 2016 2:46 pm |
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Dannyson
Member Since: 14 Oct 2014
Location: Newquay, Cornwall
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Out of interest - does this new D5 have ad blue....? May have been mentioned somewhere and I've missed it....! 2016MY Discovery HSE - Black
2009MY Toyota Land Cruiser (Lc4) - Black
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| 24th Oct 2016 12:27 pm |
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Compusmentis
Member Since: 18 Feb 2016
Location: Effingham
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APL wrote:And therein lies one of the problems with the whole thing:
Supply cannot meet demand......
I still say build more and sell at lower prices......
If they can't keep up with current demand, why not charge more and sell fewer...?
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| 24th Oct 2016 12:47 pm |
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jimbg
Member Since: 19 Apr 2013
Location: UK
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Dannyson wrote:Out of interest - does this new D5 have ad blue....? May have been mentioned somewhere and I've missed it....!
EFFICIENT TECHNOLOGIES
SUSTAINABLE CONSTRUCTION
The aluminium alloy used for much of All-New Discovery’s
construction is from a high level of recycled aluminium.
Using significantly less energy than primary aluminium to
produce, it minimises the vehicle’s environmental impact.
STOP/START
All-New Discovery engines come with Stop/Start.
This system shuts down the engine when you come to
a complete halt and restarts the engine immediately
when required, helping to save fuel, especially during
urban driving.
LIGHTWEIGHT MATERIALS
At every stage of the development process, engineers
maximised weight saving across all the vehicle's elements.
This produces an optimum balance between best
performance and weight saving for greater efficiency.
All-New Discovery adopts an advanced all-aluminium body
structure, delivering significantly reduced weight, improved
performance and enhanced sustainability. Its tailgate is
made from a lightweight plastic composite material which is
also very stiff and strong, whilst high-precision lightweight
magnesium castings are used for some of the body and
chassis components.
ADBLUE®
All-New Discovery diesel models are fitted with AdBlue®
to help clean exhaust gases. AdBlue® is a non-toxic,
non-flammable, biodegradable additive that cleanses
the gases in the vehicle’s exhaust system to reduce
harmful nitrogen oxide emissions by up to 98 percent.
LOW FRICTION TECHNOLOGIES
All-New Discovery’s petrol and diesel engine range uses
smart coating technologies on pistons, needle roller
bearings and other mechanical parts. This helps to reduce
friction, especially at low engine temperatures, so the
vehicle performs at its efficient best.
ADVANCED AERODYNAMICS
The modern streamlined design has been carefully
optimised using advanced Computational Fluid Dynamics
software and a state-of-the-art wind tunnel. This has led to
an improvement of up to 15 percent drag reduction when
compared to its predecessor whilst still maintaining stadium
seating and two additional seats in the optional third row.
An enhanced rear spoiler has been designed with slots
to direct airflow over the tailgate to minimise rear screen
soiling and produce a reduction in drag.
All-New Discovery is the first Land Rover to optimise airflow
past the front wheels, by creating an ‘air curtain’ by feeding
air to the inner wheelarch from ducts in the front bumper.
The pressure change in the wheelarch helps to reduce drag
and improve air flow down the vehicle sides.
The electronic air suspension enables speed lowering where
the vehicle automatically lowers by 13mm to reduce drag
when cruising at motorway speeds.
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| 24th Oct 2016 12:59 pm |
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Bill Wright
Member Since: 03 Nov 2007
Location: Glorious Devon
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neilk wrote:They said on the tour the capacity of the line is 1800 a day. That is RR, RR Sport and D5 mixed so not sure it will be hugely different. From memory engine supply on the V6 was also a constraint so maybe the 2.0 for the D5 and RRS will remove that as it is JLR built.
That figure of 1800 vehicles per day I think included the Jaguar plant which is also on the Solihull site. In the LR plant, the figure is one vehicle approximately every 1 min 38 secs which is about 850 vehicles (RR RRS and D5's) per 24 hour period. Never take life too seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
D4 SDV6 SE Tech Kaikoura Stone MY15.
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| 24th Oct 2016 1:15 pm |
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neilk
Member Since: 27 Aug 2010
Location: Berkshire
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That makes sent and they did mention the car circa every 90s on the line, it was a little vague when we tried to figure out the mix and the totals. It does help explain the volume question as the Jaguar line is F Pace and XE so about 1000 of them as well.
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| 24th Oct 2016 2:48 pm |
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AAA.Happy.Disco1.Fan
Member Since: 04 Nov 2010
Location: West Yorks
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Lessons from the Mini:
Before revamping or rebooting anything, please read this
How not to throw the baby out with the bathwater
The original Mini had been in production for 41 years by October 2000, when the last one rolled off the line at Longbridge – but the design had never really been updated. The owners, BMW, had an iconic and internationally recognisable brand on their hands, but a design that needed an overhaul. In 1998, the redesigned VW Beetle had shown that the market liked a small city car with some character.
BMW gave the job to BMW designer Frank Stephenson, who modernised the Mini without losing its essential character
Too often revamps or "reboots" are commissioned to chase a new demographic. The owners of the brand have lost confidence, or forgotten why it's there. Sometimes the owners of a faded brand are embarrassed by it, so wish it was something else. Almost always they fail.
"It's useful advice for anyone doing a redesign. Don't #### with what's noticeable or the ethos of the product,"
Most innovation is incremental, not disruptive, he points out. Companies just throw the baby out with the bathwater.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/21/le...read_this/
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| 26th Oct 2016 6:34 am |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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The new Mini is a bad example. Whilst it has a look that apes the original, the packaging is woeful. It's bigger externally and heavier than the original but has less useable rear seats etc. Where the original Mini was a masterstroke of packaging, the new one is just another hatchback with none of the original's USP.
New Mini was just a cynical cash-in on the kudos of the original. It's been very successful in terms of sales but that is mostly the name, not the car. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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AAA.Happy.Disco1.Fan
Member Since: 04 Nov 2010
Location: West Yorks
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 .... FRANK STEPHENSON: MINI HAS LOST IT
And Frank Stephenson, exterior designer of the R50 and R53 MINI, agrees with you - as you'll see in this link from the original article :
http://www.motoringfile.com/2013/12/07/fra...e-lost-it/
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