garrycol
Member Since: 06 Dec 2010
Location: Canberra
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GraemeS wrote:Llams could do with a +100 setting to provide off-road height in these circumstances! Hmmm...
When is it coming out and make it backward compatible with your systems already out there.
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 9th Apr 2011 1:45 am |
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Desert Traveller
Member Since: 06 Aug 2006
Location: The Gabba - QLD
Posts: 420
 
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And if you had a Faultmate, you could read and clear faults. The LLAMS and Faultmate are essential in the bush. 06 TDV6 SE with many LR and after-market extras. Used only on weekends and trips out west.
Audi TT Roadster (Daily and around town drive)
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Previously 01 TD5 and 94 TDI
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| 9th Apr 2011 6:48 am |
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Preacher
Member Since: 15 Aug 2009
Location: NE Victoria
Posts: 141
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Desert Traveller wrote:And if you had a Faultmate, you could read and clear faults. The LLAMS and Faultmate are essential in the bush.
That's exactly what I was thinking when I was in the bush - however the Faultmate wouldn't have helped as there was an actual fault
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| 9th Apr 2011 8:04 am |
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GraemeS
Member Since: 17 Mar 2008
Location: NSW
Posts: 706
 
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garrycol wrote:GraemeS wrote:Llams could do with a +100 setting to provide off-road height in these circumstances! Hmmm...
When is it coming out and make it backward compatible with your systems already out there.
Something for me to work on... Home of LLAMS, for LRs and Jeep GCs
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| 10th Apr 2011 8:28 am |
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~Rich~
Member Since: 16 Mar 2009
Location: Sydney
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Good idea - A limp home +100mm  2014 SDV6 HSE White, LLAMS Height Controller, Tinted Glass, Tuff Ant Sliders and 18" steel wheels, Safari Snorkel, Rhino Rack Platform, ARB Air Compressor, Custom Drawer and storage unit -http://www.box.com/s/jem0ilac3cner2mexq64 UHF CB, 4x4 Intellegence RWC, 120ltr Long range tank, Rock Sliders and Compressor protection plate Beanie grill, De Tango.
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| 10th Apr 2011 9:36 am |
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catweasel
Member Since: 05 May 2006
Location: Bundaleer
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Desert Traveller wrote:And if you had a Faultmate, you could read and clear faults. The LLAMS and Faultmate are essential in the bush.
if you have a faultmate then LLAMS is obsolete.
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| 10th Apr 2011 11:16 am |
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GraemeS
Member Since: 17 Mar 2008
Location: NSW
Posts: 706
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catweasel wrote:if you have a faultmate then LLAMS is obsolete.
Not at all. A diagnostic tool can only adjust height by a max of 25mm and is impractical to do whilst driving anyway. Home of LLAMS, for LRs and Jeep GCs
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| 10th Apr 2011 8:41 pm |
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GraemeS
Member Since: 17 Mar 2008
Location: NSW
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~Rich~ wrote:Good idea - A limp home +100mm
I reckon I can do it with the addition of a resistor to the pcb and revised software which would include a minor change at the start of the calibration process. I've done the programming and there's just enough spare memory to fit the extra code. Calibration pin #1 would become obsolete (cut off) and the unused #3 calibration pin would be used to either start calibration if the switch is anywhere except +50, or enable 'recovery mode' if the switch is at +50. 'Recovery mode' would be cancelled by switching to -20. 'Recovery mode' would provide approx normal height at +30 and approx off-road height at +50. The jumper would become obsolete, requiring only the use of a screwdriver to touch pins 2 and 3 together momentarily. The calibration would have to be re-done after the software update. I'll do some testing and if it works, I will be able to modify existing modules and include a new instruction label inside. Home of LLAMS, for LRs and Jeep GCs
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| 10th Apr 2011 9:18 pm |
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catweasel
Member Since: 05 May 2006
Location: Bundaleer
Posts: 4805
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GraemeS wrote:catweasel wrote:if you have a faultmate then LLAMS is obsolete.
Not at all. A diagnostic tool can only adjust height by a max of 25mm and is impractical to do whilst driving anyway.
it takes about a minute and for a few hundred more you can not only change heights but calibrate them, release air from the suspension when working on any part of it, diagnose faults modify the car, reset the service indicator etc etc etc. your unit does one thing and one thing only and modifying the height too much is not always neccesary and IMO not a good thing long term. I know where my money would be going.
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| 10th Apr 2011 11:53 pm |
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garrycol
Member Since: 06 Dec 2010
Location: Canberra
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I don't follow your logic - they are two different products designed for different purposes with one small area of overlap.
Llams cannot diagnose faults in the car and Faultmate can only raise or lower the car a small amount for diagnosis purposes. Llams cannot raise the car higher than the car is capable of - it enables more manual control of height selections. If you want to drive around all the time at the equivalent if offroad height then you wear the consequences - and I am not sure there are any.
Garry
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| 11th Apr 2011 12:39 am |
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GraemeS
Member Since: 17 Mar 2008
Location: NSW
Posts: 706
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catweasel wrote:I know where my money would be going.
I'm not in any way suggesting that my unit is appropriate for all circumstances or owners. As it happens, I have both but not for the same uses. Home of LLAMS, for LRs and Jeep GCs
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| 11th Apr 2011 10:48 am |
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GraemeS
Member Since: 17 Mar 2008
Location: NSW
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Well the modifications worked as expected, albeit a little higher. Using access height to approximate the ABS-fault safe height, +50 raised the vehicle slightly above normal height then activating recovery mode raised the vehicle above off-road height. Subsequent switching Llams from OFF (vehicle at access height for the test) straight to +50 recovery mode caused a suspension fault (I didn't check what it was) but cycling the ignition then allowing the vehicle to rise at the +30 setting (standard +50, above normal height) before switching to +50 did not cause a fault. Momentarily switching to -20 cancelled recovery mode causing +30 to provide almost normal height and +50 a little above normal height.
Calibration was done before the test starting with Llams OFF and momentarily joining calibration pins 2 & 3 with a small screw-driver, followed by the usual normal/-20 then off-road/+50 steps.
I will modify the other modules already prepared. If anyone wants their module upgraded, it will have to be returned to me (please PM/email me for my address if you don't have it already) and I will endeavor to post it back the next day. Rich has kindly offerred to update his calibration documentation to include the modified module, which will be identified at least by the removed #1 calibration jumper post. Home of LLAMS, for LRs and Jeep GCs
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| 11th Apr 2011 10:02 pm |
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catweasel
Member Since: 05 May 2006
Location: Bundaleer
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garrycol wrote:Faultmate can only raise or lower the car a small amount for diagnosis purposes.
it can raise or lower +/- 25mm and some have gained as much as 30-35mm gain. it can be changed on the move and is not just for diagnostic purposes. with a small mechanical mod you can gain a 50mm height increase although I dont see the need to travel at off road height above 50kmph except for a few instances. it is also used for servicing and maint of the D3 not just diagnostics. were the cost of the LLAMS much cheaper I could see the point much like the BBS service reset tool but for an occasional use tool I find it expensive. not bagging its development or use but I cant see its justification. sorry for the opposing veiw, I understand that is not allowed but I like breaking rules.
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| 12th Apr 2011 1:51 am |
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garrycol
Member Since: 06 Dec 2010
Location: Canberra
Posts: 1130
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catweasel wrote:sorry for the opposing veiw, I understand that is not allowed but I like breaking rules.
Why isn't it allowed - isn't that what forums are for - to discuss different points of views - but your comment about liking the break rules seems to imply you are putting an opposing view for the sake of it rather than adding to the discussion - which is a shame as I learnt a lot more about faultmate from your post than I knew before.
Garry
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| 12th Apr 2011 2:10 am |
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disco4x4au
Member Since: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Perth
Posts: 409
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According to Colin, the Faultmate can be used to dump max pressure into the bags, effectively giving emergency height + a little. Don't know how comfortable the ride would be at that height, or if you can use the same procedure for different heights.
Cheers,
Gordon ex - 2006 D3 TDV6 SE, silver, with lots of stuff - R.I.P.
ex - 2009 D3 TDV6 SE, silver, had lots of stuff too!
Now - 2010 RRS 3.0 TDV6, rimini red, 18" rims + Cooper LTZ, rear eLocker, Spider tuning box, GOE protection plates and rock sliders, GOE 3way shortened rods.
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| 13th Apr 2011 4:52 am |
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