That's become part of the issue. There is a small minority in the UK that believe work is for suckers, and that a combination of benefits and good old fashioned criminal activity is the way to live their life. The same surnames have been coming up in the local papers for the last 30 years, and thinking back to school 40 years ago those names were the ones who, when they bothered attending, were the ones you avoided. Ask your parents and you'll see the same family name and behaviours going back to their generation too. And by generation, these feral types have a nasty habit of breeding 3 or 4 generations in the same time that most families are on their 2nd generation.
Foisting unwilling workers on an employer isn't going to land well. Any attempt at value judgement in the (not very generous) benefits system is prone to error and abuse. Education has been proven to be ineffective going back 3, 4, 5 generations. Hell, I bet when you read some of the characters in a Dickens novel he wrote them based on some of these folks families.
When you can trace these issues back in this way, it's fundamentally rotten people. And short of some form of eugenics coming into play, we just have to do what we can to shield ourselves from them. In an increasingly crowded world where stupid outbreeds, that's proving more difficult to do.
No easy answers.
Did I mention eugenics? I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
30th Sep 2020 9:33 am
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Dont get me started on the benefits system - I have never understood how someone can be better off on benefits than they could holding down a job.
Yes provide support to live (food/shelter/clothing) but benefits should not run to 42" TV's, playstations/holidays abroad/etc.
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Benefits don't run to that. Selling snide tobacco, cash in hand "roof cleaning", a bit of light dealing cos it's medicinal innit. That tops up the benefits.
Who new that Shameless was a training programme?I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
30th Sep 2020 10:53 am
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The primary 7s (last year in primary before high school) at our local school used to get swimming lessons at the local Borstal/Young Offenders’ Institute. I used to go along as an in pool helper/instructor. The kids were bussed in, counted, did their lesson and then were counted back onto the bus and back to school. One day, whilst waiting for the kids to get changed, I was speaking with the PTI . He said he could tell me which ones would become residents and was pretty sure some had family in there already (I didn’t know as I had no knowledge of their background). I believe he was pretty much on the money with his predictions.
Similarly, he could also tell those Trusty’s (who cleaned the pool and changing areas before the children arrived) who would never again darken their door and those who would never be out the place.
I believe the worship of vacuous ‘celebrities’ leads many to the attitude that if X has such and such, then why shouldn’t they have it IMMEDIATELY. They fail to realise that the vacuous one, although not worth a tuppeny damn, has prostituted themselves to the highest bidder to get their ‘fame and fortune’ but the benefits professional sees such a lifestyle as their right and they shouldn’t have to earn it. Case in point, our local Facebook page was rife with folk looking to buy hot tubs during lockdown. Now, as you drive about the estates, you can see half deflated manky hot tubs littering the gardens....some even in FRONT gardens!
Nothing like a seedy sex pond in your garden to show your neighbours how celeb you are.I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
30th Sep 2020 2:00 pm
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Benefits don't run to that. Selling snide tobacco, cash in hand "roof cleaning", a bit of light dealing cos it's medicinal innit. That tops up the benefits.
Who new that Shameless was a training programme?
I know of a few cases where the benefits do run to that without the need for any side activities"Never keep up with the Joneses. Drag'em down to your level. It's cheaper".
When the benefits system was designed, there was an assumption that the number of people needing assistance would remain fairly steady. Unfortunately, its existence changed people's behaviour. At times, I've wondered who is doing the most intelligent thing: me, working hard, paying taxes, etc; my sister-in-law who is on benefits and has a more than satisfactory lifestyle.
Before WW2, my father-in-law's family became very poor. Before they got any help (which they didn't want to be seen getting as that was acutely shameful) the 'Repo Man' went round their house telling them which household items they had to sell first.
The benefits system has suppressed aspiration and the need to keep one's dignity. When I was at school, education and self-betterment was the way up and out of a small town and the risk of following parents into a dead-end job for a lifetime. Aspiration still exists but why bother when things can be had for 'free'? At the same time, most people suffered from 'what will other people think paranoia'. They may have been poor but they had standards and their dignity, with all the daily sweeping of doorsteps, tie-wearing and good behaviour that went with it and that was expected by employer and potential employers. Again, why bother when money and houses are 'free' anyway and you can live cheek-by-jowl with like-"minded" people? See an unlocked bike? It's fair game.
In the fifty years I have been on this planet (i.e., not counting the years on other planets), a lot of things have been touted as potential causes of the collapse of Society: microwaves, breakfast television, swearing on TV, video games, Sunday opening, unrestricted gambling, etc. Breakfast telly and daytime TV have made it a lifestyle choice to sit around watching the intellectual equivalent of vanilla yoghurt. Get up and do something useful? Nah, I'll just watch a bit more... Learn something from the OU? Nah, switch over to something easy on another channel.
I've written this before but last year the actress who played Zammo's mother in Grange Hill opined to an audience that she regretted doing so: the portrayal of bad behaviour in school, talking back to teachers, etc., released a monster and it was downhill from there.
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1st Oct 2020 1:10 pm
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Benefits doesn't pay? I (unfortunately) have a family member that proves it does. They are single, under 25, and get the equivalent of around £23k gross. They have a two bedroom (nice) flat in an OK'ish area that they pay a small percentage of rental on (including £50/month for the 'bedroom tax' as they are a single person).
They are currently sectioned under the mental health system and are being accommodated in secure unit/half-way house type facility and fed, watered, etc. there whilst their flat has languished empty for 18 months.
Their benefits have actually gone up whilst in the unit a few times and on at least two occasions they have received small four figure lump sums due to 'miscalculated' benefits or some change that took time to pay out so was backdated, etc.
Even though a close family member I absolutely no way condone the amount of cash that is thrown at them in respect of their living accommodation and benefits.
They are, at best, a minimum wage earner (they have had a couple of jobs for short periods of time) and they actually cannot afford to work if/when they ever returns home.
There are many in similar benefits positions to this, virtually everyone in their social circles is in similar position and not working, ever, is their 'normal'
1st Oct 2020 2:13 pm
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Better off on benefits?
After working for 45 years I am struggling to get a job in Covid UK, told I'm not eligible for benefits after 4 months!
As for Year 7 behavior, my sons school is a mixed bag, considered one of the worst in the area, a lot of the parents have RR sport, FFRR, M4 BMWs and even a Bentley. I saw a year 3/4 kid in the park my son was in, the kid was with his gran who showed him his reading book and told him he had to read it before playing (pointless in truth as he was already playing), he shouted at his gran to F*&k Off, grabbed the book and thew it away.Series 1 V8
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3rd Oct 2020 6:53 am
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A neighbour used to be a primary school teacher specialising in primary 1 (after nursery, age 5 in Scotland) and she said that ‘standards’ had deteriorated through the years but even she was aghast when children started to appear at school apparently never having seen a book or comic and not knowing the way to read was from front to back.
I can only hope that at some stage in the very near future the sensible majority ( and I do believe the sensible are in the majority) will say enough is enough and demand that the no competition, prizes for all mob get a skelp in the lug and folk have to harden up and pull their weight as the country(ies) have billions of debt because of Covid and cannot afford to fund the benefit lifestyle any more. I read that the producers were desperate for fruit pickers but out of the hundreds who were desperate for jobs and money, very few turned up and even then the ones that did a days work didnt turn up again as it was too much like hard work.
I once knew someone who was a single mother of two on benefits and she took home £50 a month less than I did!! I worked 40hrs a week in a well paid IT job. Unbelievable.
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Keel-haul all the individuals (including the "heroes" with cameras). Choose a nice shallow muddy and oily location, and do it slowly.
Standing back and filming when people need assistance needs to be dealt with as well. The acceptance of this in our modern society is beyond me.An honorable defeat is better than a dishonorable victory.” ― Millard Fillmore
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