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PROFSR G
 


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rrhool wrote:
The fan cut a gap in it! Don't know why it was positioned such as it was, but it did. Thanks for the thought James, but I'll get it sorted somehow!


I was wondering how it burst as I've never come across it.

Hopefully you'll get it sorted tomorrow and it won't spoil your break. Thumbs Up

PS. A few cable ties might be helpful if you haven't already got them with you.
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I'm thinking of some bicycle inner tube, puncture repair glue, a split copper pipe for reinforcement and some jubilee clips to hold it all tight!
I'll let you know how it goes! Smile
 Richard


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Td5 spanner for the nut does fit
  
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Hi Rich

I live in Caverswall and not too far from Hulme End. I have a set of viscous fan spanners that you can borrow. They are for a V8 so don't know if they are different. PM me and I'll send you my phone number.

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IanMarsh wrote:
Td5 spanner for the nut does fit


That's handy to know Thumbs Up
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rrhool wrote:
I'm thinking of some bicycle inner tube, puncture repair glue, a split copper pipe for reinforcement and some jubilee clips to hold it all tight!
I'll let you know how it goes! Smile


Be careful!!

It's high pressure hydraulics. Exclamation
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Ivan, hope you got my PM, many thanks for the offer, think I'm sorted. Will update you all a bit later.
 Richard


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Update, and the end to this story!
This is exactly the reason I love and hate Land Rovers! I like to think my cars are well maintained, but every time I've ever been on holiday in one of my Land Rovers over the last 25 years, I have to fix something! (well, maybe not every time, but it does seem like its often!)

Thursday night, into Friday morning I hardly slept, thinking of all the possible solutions to get the car and caravan home, without resorting to the big yellow taxi. I know I pay for the service, but there is some pride involved in getting my rig home safely under its own power. I concluded that although the new PAS pipe would arrive sometime Friday (unknown time at this point) it would be a big ask to fit it, with limited tools, laying on a dusty grit road in the campsite, and not loosing the o-rings/bolts/clips etc. Not to mention that I could hardly see the pump end of the pipe, let alone refit the new one properly.
I concluded that I'd have to do some 'Bush Mechanics' as my Brother in Aus would call it!
Friday morning I drove about 1 1/2 miles to the local village garage, and asked if they had a 36mm spanner I could borrow to get the fan off, and they very kindly lent me one. Actually it was 1 7/16", well that's a proper Land Rover size!

Once I could see the damage to the HP pipe, I could start work on my plan.


The gap!
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Bicycle Puncture repair, cleaned, sanded & glued, just like fixing an inner tube.
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Piece of 3/4' hard wall hose split down one side, and 3 jubilee clips to hold it tight
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Wrapped the whole thing in a plastic bag, tywrapped on. Just to contain any leakage, so it didn't spray all over the engine bay again.
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It worked a treat, I'd only actually lost about 1/2 litre, and after topping it up, it bled instantly.

I drove a 30 mile round trip to Hope Valley, to collect the new pipe, which I have ready to change at home. It did use some PAS fluid, but that may have just been air.

We drove the 190 miles back home today, stopping to check the oil every 50 miles or so. Never used a drop! It was only when we got home, and I was manoeuvring the caravan onto the drive (using a lot of steering) that the patch let go, and dumped all the fluid on the road.



Still we got there without further incident.

Thanks to James and Ivan for their offers of help, and for the other words of encouragement and advice. Nice to know there's some helpful friends about where ever we are. Bow down


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 Richard


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Well done on an imaginative roadside repair with limited resources. Thumbs Up
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makes you wonder if we should carry a fair few spares on long journeys....sods law a different bit would break,,,GOOD OLD LANDROVER
  
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I always have a roll of self-amalging tape in the toolbox. Might have to look at adding a fan-spanner too having read this.

What moved the fan / hose together to cause the cut?
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Don't know Dean. I can't even see where it should be restrained. I tied it back, away from the fan, with some cable ties. My car had a new engine at 30k miles, fitted by a main dealer. I've found loads of clips missing, wiring not clipped in, trim clips missing, hoses not clipped back. But it's done 110k miles since the new engine, so I'm still not sure why now.
 Richard


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That was a first class temporary repair! Thumbs Up

30 plus years ago I performed a few off those type of repairs on the most unreliable DAF truck that was ever built and save a fortune in recovery bills, I bought ERF's after that!

I know a few people who have had Power steering pipes go, hose and steel pipe on various makes off car (not LR for a change) in recent years.
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Nice work - love how it valiantly held on all the way home before blowing again!! Thumbs Up

Excellent field bodge Rich 8)
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