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al cope
Member Since: 08 Nov 2005
Location: Oldbury, WM
Posts: 10354
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@steve - the D5 knows when you have a trailer hitched and changes the displayed speed limit (which it reads from the last speed limit sign you passed) down from 70 to 60 when on the motorway 👍
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 25th Jul 2021 7:29 pm |
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RogB
Member Since: 15 Jun 2018
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 1730
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due to my age (53) ive always had the license all manner of trailers on standard size vehicles. When i joined the Army at 16, passed my test in a Vauxhall Nova at 17 yrs old, and was then thrown the keys to a series 3 with a trailer and told to drive it from A to B, with no trailer training (or LR training!)
Fast forward several years and ive long since passed my HGV2 and have been towing large trailers and generator trailers all over Europe and reversing them into tight spots in pitch black conditions. Suddenly new European rules were brought in and the Army being the Army, decided even LR drivers had to have HGV1 to tow the sankey trailers (and PCV if carrying passengers the back) so off I went on an HGV1 crash course to allow me to drive/tow exactly what id been driving/towing for the last 10 years. A bit of a waste of time in that a 40ft artic has a very different pivot point to a standard 4x4 Daf/Bedford with trailer.
But i could see the point of it, so maybe a test should be compulsory in order to tow a trailer/caravan etc as its really scary seeing the speeds on the M5 vanners racing down to Cornwall every year and the obvious inexperience/arrogance of some of the drivers. 2011 D4 XS 305 MY12 - gone but not forgotten
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| 26th Jul 2021 6:58 am |
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NoDo$h
Member Since: 02 May 2006
Location: Finding new and exciting ways to milk badgers.
Posts: 19689
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| Re: Justice is finally served |
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Apache wrote:With either my old D3 or D4 you can tow 3.5 tonnes and not know it's on the back. It would be very safe towing at 70mph, rather than an arbitrary 60.
What are emergency stops like at 70 with a trailer? Or 75?
It's one thing to get the trailer moving and keep it moving in the same direction, but a whole pile of new factors come into play when you slam on the anchors that the driver and vehicle have less influence over. I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
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| 26th Jul 2021 9:53 am |
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UNG
Member Since: 20 Jun 2008
Location: Lancs
Posts: 768
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| Re: Justice is finally served |
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Apache wrote:
Interesting discussion. My feeling is that although I know the law, and hold the appropriate licence (B+E) that the speed limit legislation is outdated. I believe that applies whether towing or not. With either my old D3 or D4 you can tow 3.5 tonnes and not know it's on the back. It would be very safe towing at 70mph, rather than an arbitrary 60.
Anybody can tow a trailer faster than the limit allows and will more than likely get away with it without any problems, but trailer tyres like any other tyres can get a puncture or even worse suffer a blow out then you have to control it and stop it and even 3 tons of Discovery may not be heavy enough to keep it all "planted" when the trailer starts doing the steering
Apache wrote:
I do my very best to avoid lane 3, but if two HGVs are playing silly  with one going 0.2mph faster and overtaking over 10 miles, I have been known to use lane 3 for a quick overtake. I also do sometimes exceed both the towing speed limit when towing, and the normal speed limit when not - like most drivers. I'd much rather see no motorway limits and harsher penalties for accidents and careless driving.
Harsher penalties for accidents and careless driving are no compensation if a third party that gets caught up in the accident is dead or suffers life changing injuries on the motorway racetrack that you are proposing and with every accident normally resulting in a road closure the motorways would never be open
I can only agree with NoDosh that getting a trailer moving is the easy bit keeping it all on the straight and narrow and bringing it all a halt when needed is the skillful bit "Never keep up with the Joneses. Drag'em down to your level. It's cheaper".
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| 31st Jul 2021 5:21 pm |
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UNG
Member Since: 20 Jun 2008
Location: Lancs
Posts: 768
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While these electronic anti sway systems are good and do work well the problem that is overlooked you are only a blown fuse or a broken wire or two away from a total disaster "Never keep up with the Joneses. Drag'em down to your level. It's cheaper".
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| 1st Aug 2021 7:02 pm |
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