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galwaygreen
Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: plymouth
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top cop under pressure to go ...the way its going anybody in that position will never survive....weve got big problems for sure
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 9th Sep 2021 11:45 pm |
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Kilovolt
Member Since: 29 Jun 2015
Location: South Derbyshire
Posts: 1079
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This title meant so much more before I opened it up for a read    "Track day running - Don't put your foot back on the accelerator until your absolutely sure you don't have to take it off again"
Current Ride: D4 XS Commercial Baltic Blue SDV6 fully loaded with heated everything 
Track Days: BMW E36 M3 Evolution MY 1996 (3.2 Litre 377 BHP sat in 1,250 Kgs of car, with a pro safety cage and some serious braking power)
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| 10th Sep 2021 5:06 am |
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RogB
Member Since: 15 Jun 2018
Location: Mansfield
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Reading some of the comments on those clips shows just how pathetic some people are. ''Didnt he win his case?''... yes but his reputation and life was destroyed. ''Hes still VERY angry isnt he?''...... yes of course he is, any innocent person would be. The general public these days are to a large extent, pathetic oxygen thieves (just my personal opinion of course )
PG (along with many others) was wrongly accused of horrible crimes, the BBC was very quick to be on the side of the Police in every case and only gave the police side of the cases in every one of the accusations. and were even there when Cliff Richards was arrested....how did they know he was going to be arrested before the fact ???
Peoples early deaths are attributed to these false claims (Sir Leon Brittan), a wifes last already painful years with her accused husband were made even worse (Field Marshall whos name escapes me). And all because of the unfounded word of a single fantasist whom the Met police 100% believed in spite of there being no evidence, and the BBC were there every step of the way, way out ahead of every other MSM journalist. Exclusive rights? insider knowledge? complicity?..... in my opinion all of the above and under questionable legalities.
its time the Met leadership was thoroughly stripped apart and rebuilt, and its time the BBC was overhauled before returned to being neutral and accountable to the public who are forced to fund them
Rant over... Happy Friday everyone 2011 D4 XS 305 MY12 - gone but not forgotten
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| 10th Sep 2021 6:37 am |
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Sea Raider
Member Since: 01 Nov 2016
Location: None
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I wouldn't call it a rant, seems pretty accurate to me 
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| 10th Sep 2021 8:30 am |
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RogB
Member Since: 15 Jun 2018
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 1738
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i did have to tone it down, think this was version 3 2011 D4 XS 305 MY12 - gone but not forgotten
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| 10th Sep 2021 9:14 am |
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Hardware
Member Since: 28 Jun 2016
Location: Hiding under the M60
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I first clocked Cressida Dick's name many years ago when she ordered the lethal shooting of a young Brazilian lad.
His "crime" was to wear a thick coat on a day Londoners would think hot, but he didn't. Granted, he tried to evade the police ... but only having encountered Brazilian police, it was understandable.
There were a lot of questions about her leadership that day and I was astounded when she got the top job. .
Dean
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2011 D4 Landmark - Stolen from same dealer before I paid for it
2011 D4 GS - Stolen whilst at dealer  ... All LED interiors lights, DRLs, Spare Wheel protector.
1996 300Tdi - Eaten by tin worms
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| 10th Sep 2021 10:28 am |
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Farmer Chalk
Member Since: 06 Mar 2013
Location: Independent Republic of Kentishshire.
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For those who have no knowledge of this operation it is very easy to criticise… I know some of the officers involved and as you might imagine it’s not as clear cut as police murdering innocent members of public..
This was the day following a number of failed bomb attempts and just two weeks after 7/7 when 52 persons were blown to smithereens in London. As someone who attended the scenes and dealt with hundreds of injured victims over the following days in hospital I can assure you you would not want to relive it.
Live surveillance was occurring at the time, the subject being followed was almost a doppelgänger of Mendez. In the confusion unfortunately the wrong person was challenged… when he made off and ran onto the tube everyone involved in that operation believed this was another attempt to cause havoc..
The authority, given the severity of previous events, was given by Cressida Dick to challenge appropriately given the circumstances.
What would you do in the same circumstances? Let him run away if you had the absolute belief that he was about to commit another atrocity. Cressida Dick, at the time, had the full support of every Met officer in London.
It was a tragic incident… but not one that should blight her for the right decision made at the time.
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| 10th Sep 2021 11:13 am |
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Oxford-boy
Member Since: 07 Sep 2015
Location: Oxford
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Yup. Farmer Chalk +1 for me..
MetPol Commissioner a real chalice for sure. Sir John Stevens the best of the past decade or so..
A policeman's lot is not a happy one, I was one.
I have my own opinions on Dick but mine about her as MetPol Commissioner is that she's the best of the current bunch.
Challenge for Home Sec is that you really do need to have been a Met Cop for much of your career to understand the Met imho. I wasn't in the Met but that's my view. Culture, creatures and craft. Unique..
Fine men and women doing sometime nigh on impossible jobs.
Time for a National Police Service too.. Jim
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| 10th Sep 2021 11:39 am |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13610
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Interesting suggestion that one should be a time-served Met plod in order to be the top Met plod. Perhaps that's part of the problem (and it would be in any organisation) because having been on the inside of an organisation for a long period, it's difficult to see it from the outside. Difficult to take on criticisms, comments, advice, suggestions, etc.
I think it would be better to have a non-Met plod at the top. Fresh pair of eyes, etc. Of course, there is the danger, as with any large institution, that the rank and file will close ranks against someone who is "not one of ours" in the event of any issues.
Tricky situation.
I do think that the UK should have a UK Police (or an English one, at least, as the devolved mobs will want their own). Likewise a national fire service, ambulance service, etc.. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 10th Sep 2021 12:02 pm |
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Farmer Chalk
Member Since: 06 Mar 2013
Location: Independent Republic of Kentishshire.
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Definitely agree with a National police service! It is long long awaited…huge money is spent replicating intel, crime management etc… and we certainly don’t need that many NPCC officers…
Re the Met needing a Met recruited commissioner… my only comment is that whoever is appointed must have experience of major terrorist and/or organised crime plus public order experience…
A boss from somewhere like Devon and Cornwall would be in a flap when confronted with multiple murder scenes, public order, kidnappings, etc etc in their first hour….
The general public have literally no idea what goes across her desk on a hourly basis every hour of the day and night…
Re Cressida I have huge huge respect for her..my only criticism is recently she has been backing down when confronted with the wokeist agendas…I.e militant XR protesters being the whole of London to a halt…
Highway obstruction is still highway obstruction….
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| 10th Sep 2021 1:28 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13610
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Good point about the type of things dealt with by the Met that wouldn't be seen elsewhere. But there is a question about whether the top plod should be dealing with that sort of thing anyway. The Chief Exec of a multinational doesn't deal with "coal face" issues and perhaps the head of a police service shouldn't either. That should be dealt with at least on the layer below, with the top plod running the organisation itself, not the projects they're dealing with - if that makes sense.
And there certainly shouldn't be a situation where the Met can hamper investigations in to its conduct such as alleged against Dick in the Morgan report. There should be a straight forward "you will provide everything to the investigation or you can leave the police force without your pension". In situations such as that, the top plod should be ensuring the rank and file are shown to be behaving correctly, not protecting those who might not have been doing so. That's where the possibility that having a long-time Met officer as the top plod starts to look wrong. Someone without those "ties of blood" would be more likely to want to get to the bottom of things. And anyone that stands in the way of such investigations should be kicked in to the long grass with nothing.
The police service is too important an institution to let the bad apples hold sway. We need everyone of them to be good apples and we need the public to be able to trust them. The few bad 'uns make the lives of the rest so much more difficult. They deserve better. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 10th Sep 2021 3:30 pm |
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Farmer Chalk
Member Since: 06 Mar 2013
Location: Independent Republic of Kentishshire.
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In reality Morgan was murdered in 1987… Cressida joined the Police in 1983…and therefore had less than 4 years service at the time.. she did not serve on the division, the district or even the area of the murder and therefore was probably totally unaware of the circumstances at the time.
Clearly there are strong questions over the behaviour of a certain DS working on the Catford division at the time. So much so that a number of investigations took place subsequently including the incredibly rare scenario whereby a number of covert bugs were placed in offices in an endeavour to capture those responsible….
Despite numerous investigations by numerous senior managers and new squads no evidence was forthcoming that could actually prove who murdered Morgan. Unfortunately when the rotten apple knows police policy and investigation interview techniques you are never going to get nothing other than the equivalent of a no comment interview.
Short of fitting someone up with verbal admissions which we would all agree is wrong there would never be enough evidence to successfully prosecute. I can assure you that when that ex officer successfully sued the Met for damages that hurt more than anything…
If the evidence is not there it’s not there… you can’t magic it up…
As for the suggestion this was a massive cover up and a huge web of corruption across the entire Met is just rubbish and nothing more than unfounded conspiracy theories.
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| 10th Sep 2021 8:51 pm |
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