Ivan
Member Since: 01 Mar 2011
Location: Malvern Worcestershire
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Can't be as bad as the Collins class they have/used to have 2013 RR Vogue SE SDV8
2013 Freelander 2 HSE Luxury SD4
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garrycol
Member Since: 06 Dec 2010
Location: Canberra
Posts: 1130
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RRSTDV8 wrote:Yes, Hugh, but will the Yanks let us sell it to the Australians or will they insist on selling them their stuff instead?
If you knew anything about our military you know we do not buy what others insist on we buy - we are quite capable of making our own stuff ups as per the French subs.
The only thing that is a given is the nuclear propulsion unit - everything else is up for grabs - who knows we might even end up with the French hulls with the US propulsion unit.
The Collins class submarine was a great unit for its time but 30 years on is getting a little tired but still performs admirably - still quieter than any nuclear submarine and once sorted have worked well for us. In an attack role, one on one, it always detected and took out the nuc first. If the search took a while then the limitation of a diesel came into play.
When diesel was the only option we should have gone the Japanese sub - arguably the best conventional sub around.
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| 22nd Sep 2021 1:06 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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garrycol wrote:RRSTDV8 wrote:Yes, Hugh, but will the Yanks let us sell it to the Australians or will they insist on selling them their stuff instead?
If you knew anything about our military you know we do not buy what others insist on we buy - we are quite capable of making our own stuff ups as per the French subs.
The only thing that is a given is the nuclear propulsion unit - everything else is up for grabs - who knows we might even end up with the French hulls with the US propulsion unit.
The Collins class submarine was a great unit for its time but 30 years on is getting a little tired but still performs admirably - still quieter than any nuclear submarine and once sorted have worked well for us. In an attack role, one on one, it always detected and took out the nuc first. If the search took a while then the limitation of a diesel came into play.
When diesel was the only option we should have gone the Japanese sub - arguably the best conventional sub around.
Collins was good once it was sorted out. It wasn't quiet to begin with.
I wonder if the AUKUS deal will see Australia buying Rolls Royce's PWR3 reactors that have been developed for the UK's new Dreadnought class SSBN. US fuel, UK reactor (US initial design but developed using RR's technology), hull from whom? Sensor suite presumably the best they can buy from whomever.
I shall be interested to see how this develops. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 22nd Sep 2021 1:44 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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I think the Perisher Course beats that sort of thing out of modern British sub commanders, Hugh.  Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 22nd Sep 2021 2:25 pm |
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garrycol
Member Since: 06 Dec 2010
Location: Canberra
Posts: 1130
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The one thing we do know is that the new submarine will have the the S9G sealed for life reactor (sounds like a D3 gearbox) currently used in the Virginia class submarine.
I guess the other thing is know is it is going to cost a lot more than the French Submarines even after the ripoff price of the French. Also numbers will be less 12 vs 8 for the nucs.
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| 23rd Sep 2021 5:08 am |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
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You'll gain a few visiting UK and US subs though. Lots of jobs created building facilities and supporting the sub operations. D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner 
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05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
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BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
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Hanibal Expeedition rack
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| 23rd Sep 2021 6:58 am |
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garrycol
Member Since: 06 Dec 2010
Location: Canberra
Posts: 1130
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Macron will not even take a call from the Aust prime Minister - very unprofessional - what a sook - maybe he needs to grow up.
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| 23rd Sep 2021 10:27 am |
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JordsDisco
Member Since: 22 May 2020
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 1627
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You mean like Kermit the Frog fans? Our PM surpassed himself at the UN. Talk about cringeworthy. 
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| 23rd Sep 2021 10:59 am |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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One can imagine the pouring of outrage if the U.K. had been the one whose deal had been scuppered by the French.  2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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| 23rd Sep 2021 11:43 am |
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john watson
Member Since: 10 Nov 2011
Location: lanark
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Presently reading “1000 years of annoying the French” by Stephen Clarke. This latest spat would indicate it needs to have an update. If he reads this which I doubt as a historian I guess his grasp of British history is somewhat limited. There were no kings or queens of England after James the VI of Scotland became James the 1st of the united kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Feel better now it’s been a frustrating few days. Sorry about that Once you have defeated the idiots any job is half done. Pity there are so many idiots to defeat.
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| 23rd Sep 2021 1:24 pm |
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