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Paul J. wrote:
Are you against them spending Christmas with their family?
Are you happy to throw them out the day before ...once your dirty work is done ...sorry, if ....oh and only if they turn up in the first place ...personally I'd be giving you the two-fingered salute 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
25th Sep 2021 10:54 pm
galwaygreen
Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: plymouth
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cant see johnny turning up anytime soon.....3 month visit...having a laff surely...sky report its only for fuel or food deliveries...
25th Sep 2021 11:20 pm
Paul J.
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Location: Leafy Cheshire
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DG wrote:
Paul J. wrote:
Are you against them spending Christmas with their family?
Are you happy to throw them out the day before ...once your dirty work is done ...sorry, if ....oh and only if they turn up in the first place ...personally I'd be giving you the two-fingered salute
No one is “throwing out” anyone. If you have a visa with a fixed end date, you simply return when you reach that end date. Foreign workers can choose to work under such a visa, or they can choose not to. Still, that doesn’t fit your pejorative narrative; is that why you use such emotive terms?An ex-Disco3 / FFRR / I-Pace owner ......
The UK has had a shortage of HGV drivers for many years, albeit fewer in number than now. Germany had a similar problem: in 2018, 30,000 German HGV drivers retired with only 3,000 being trained each year.
The eastern European drivers have merely filled an increasing shortage in their homelands - a gap that had been widening as a result of global companies increasingly basing production centres in eastern Europe to take advantage of low labour rates, etc., (car manufacturers being one) As the demand increased but supply stayed the same, the rates went up, making it more attractive as a role they can take without having to pay a fortune to live in a crowded converted shed in the back of a house in a cruddy area of the UK.
A cheap and almost endless supply of drivers from Europe was not necessarily the answer to a problem bound in demographics, conditions, etc., - it just masked it and meant it wasn't thought about or tackled. Still a government problem - just not necessarily just this current one's.
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26th Sep 2021 7:59 am
paul123
Member Since: 22 Mar 2020
Location: norwich
Posts: 236
the industry needs to get out there and sell itself as a good career for young people to want to do . this needs to be done at all levels from schools and colleges to public events . i am a driver with 7 years till retirement and young people are just not interested in coming into the industry .2005 discovery 3 tdv6
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26th Sep 2021 10:12 am
leeds
Member Since: 30 Aug 2010
Location: West Yorkshire
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Now at the end of September I believe it is 1.6 million workers coming off furlough.
Now will they go back to their original jobs or will the aircraft cabin crew immediately retrain as hgv drivers or nurses (apparently about 40,000 short in NHS)? How many brickies/plasterers/engineers etc are the UK short of?
Now how long does it take to train a bricky/hgv driver/nurse etc?
Brendan
26th Sep 2021 10:21 am
JordsDisco
Member Since: 22 May 2020
Location: Newcastle
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Dunno about the rest, but Nursing in a degree entry only.
Very briefly, unless you have evidence of recent learning/attainment, within the last 5 years I think - no point in taking something on outwith your capabilities or capacity, so then it’s off to college or Open Uni to study something relevant, then apply via UCAS, interview etc.
Thereafter three years study, essays, exams and a combination of placements.
No way to hurry it up or you compromise patient safety.
You could employ more Health Care Assistants, that might free up more Nurses, but they are limited in what they can do and they aren’t accountable in the same way Nurses are.
26th Sep 2021 10:49 am
leeds
Member Since: 30 Aug 2010
Location: West Yorkshire
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That is my point, it takes time to train up people be it an HGV driver, a bricking or a nurse. The U.K. has relied on imported labour for decades, be it the 40/50s for Jamaicans for transport in London, Indian doctors in the 60’s, nurses from the Philippines to Eastern European’s as drivers, construction workers or care takers.
The U.K. has a growing population which is living longer and the working week has been cut over last few decades.
Has the U.K. got enough British borne people in the working age population to fulfill its own labour requirement or will it continue to need migrant workers?
Brendan
26th Sep 2021 12:18 pm
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26th Sep 2021 12:21 pm
salmoner
Member Since: 09 May 2014
Location: Blackpool
Posts: 156
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Hgv class 1 licences for sale . after 33 years i think it time to hang up the keys , had enough of the grief and misery some of the previous comment are correct but not all
26th Sep 2021 3:52 pm
lynalldiscovery
Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
Location: Maidstone
Posts: 7274
The problem with being a hgv driver in the UK is, literally everybody hates you from the car drivers to the warehouse people who load/iunload you.
No respect for the job from anybody, even from the transport office
No facilities/treated like dirt, crap trucks to drive
Poor pay and conditions, way way to many hours
I have had my class 1 licence for nearly three decades, and not once have I thought I would go driving for a living.
26th Sep 2021 4:20 pm
salmoner
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couldn't have put that better myself but that's only some of it , parking up in laybys curtains slashed fuel robbed . CPC money extortion , and that m6 has become the worst road in the country . i loaded in Tarleton near Preston Friday dinner time 2,5 hrs to get to lymm then just after j15 there was a car in lane 3 broke down and the road was backup before j16 crawling along 15 - 20 mph , as it were i was going down the m 40 and went up the m6 toll got onto the m42 and that was rammed made Warwick serve 4hr 40 min so that's an infringement for 10 min driving over 4.5 hrs
26th Sep 2021 4:43 pm
leeds
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Location: West Yorkshire
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When a HGV comes to us we always offer driver use of toilet/cup of tea.
The regular courier drivers know where our toilets are are and where the kettle is.
A bit of common courtesy pays off. If need be our drivers will wait for a few minutes or return later.
Is now (or well before now) the time to think about and invest in rail-freight? Must be more climate-friendly, require fewer drivers and generally more efficient. The M3 and A34 north of Southampton contain queues and queues of container lorries heading north from the docks and an equal number heading back - surely sticking them on a train would be more logical?
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Except the only people thinking that's a good idea are members of the public.
On the other side of the debate, we have the Road Haulage Association. And the Treasury..
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, and that m6 has become the worst road in the country . i loaded in Tarleton near Preston Friday dinner time 2,5 hrs to get to lymm then just after j15 there was a car in lane 3 broke down and the road was backup before j16 crawling along 15 - 20 mph , as it were i was going down the m 40 and went up the m6 toll got onto the m42 and that was rammed made Warwick serve 4hr 40 min so that's an infringement for 10 min driving over 4.5 hrs 
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