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Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
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Why wouldn't you take it offroad  DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
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 9th Apr 2008 6:30 am |
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50978
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Oh ...I might  ...but I suspect a far greater proportion of peeps who buy them , compared to D3 owners, wouldn't consider it  21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 9th Apr 2008 7:23 am |
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fisherman
Member Since: 16 Jan 2007
Location: Hornchurch Essex
Posts: 1789
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I have been given a FFRR Vogue TDV8 as a loaner whilst my D3 is being put back together.
My first thoughts were the whole thing looks quite classy compared to the more utilitarian look of the D3. No doubt people notice you in a FFRR,or so it seems.
Upon closer inspection the cladding on the bodywork is all plastic, internally the layout is pretty good and for a whistle and bells guy like me I was impressed with the toys. The switchgear is definately a step up from the D3 being chunky and nicely finished with a good robust feel about them.
Engine wise the TDV8 is a revelation which just keeps going, the shove in the back as it selects 2nd gear is astounding for 2.5 tons of metal. But there's always a cost and 15.3mpg seems to be it.
I like the FFRR alot. It is classy and you do feel the dogs wotsits knowing that it shifts too, god knows what a supercharged one is like!!
But given my lifestyle of fishing and people carrying and visiting the tip with home appliances which die at a record level in my house, there aint alot of point in a FFRR. It's a big estate car and not alot more in reality.
Now my D3 is everything I could ever want from a car, I don't need to go through the list of attributes but the D3 does it all and then some.
My D3 is chipped and isn't a patch on the FFRR but I didn't buy my D3 for speed. I bought it because I often carry more than 5 and the rear audio for the kids makes long journeys much less painful. The D3 is a great place to be in it's own right and has taken awards for it's family friendly flexibility.
I am chuffed that I didn't buy a FFRR.
 FFRR 2017 4.4SDV8 Autobiography. Cost so much I must be mad!
D4 HSE 2012 Like a second wife, more expensive but goes better! I almost cried this time!
D3 HSE 2006 (Almost 8 years together, true love)
Land Cruiser VX 1994 11 years together, wife cried when I p/ex'd for my D3
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| 9th Apr 2008 7:24 am |
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John C
Member Since: 28 Aug 2007
Location: East Yorkshire
Posts: 3292
  
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fisherman wrote:...It's a big estate car...
Is that a big 'estate-car' or a 'big-estate' car? 2020 SDV6 D5 HSE, Carpathian Grey +
2022 Tesla Model Y LR... almost Carpathian Grey
Previously : 2005 TDV6 SE Auto, Cairns Blue (288K) - ours for 16 years
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| 9th Apr 2008 7:37 am |
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NHR
Member Since: 13 Dec 2007
Location: Warsaw
Posts: 923
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If it's an FFRR it must be the latter. 
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| 9th Apr 2008 7:55 am |
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craig
Member Since: 08 Aug 2006
Location: Home of LR.
Posts: 2545
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Had a FFRR V8 for a week while the D3 was in being fixed.
Have to agree that the engine is superb, coupled with "manually changing" the gears it gives an impressive display.
I loved all the toys, but there wasn't one thing (apart from the V8) that i didn't miss when i got my D3 back.
The D3 as mentioned is just so much more practical for day to day life - i have 3 dogs, and an extended family to cart around, so 7 up is used quite often.
I was also disappointed with the leather seats in the FFRR, as the piping on both the drivers and passenger side had started to rip/fray - now i know it was a loaner from Enterprise and it hadn't been cared for, but it had done less than 5000 miles....
I'll stick with my D3.
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| 9th Apr 2008 7:57 am |
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Ken
Member Since: 20 Feb 2006
Location: Here
Posts: 10865
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Heated steering wheel 8)
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| 9th Apr 2008 8:20 am |
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John C
Member Since: 28 Aug 2007
Location: East Yorkshire
Posts: 3292
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Am amazed no one's retro fitted one of those. 2020 SDV6 D5 HSE, Carpathian Grey +
2022 Tesla Model Y LR... almost Carpathian Grey
Previously : 2005 TDV6 SE Auto, Cairns Blue (288K) - ours for 16 years
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| 9th Apr 2008 8:22 am |
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drivesafe
Member Since: 23 Feb 2006
Location: Gold Coast, Australia
Posts: 867
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Hi folks, I’ve got both and there really isn’t a comparison between the two.
My current FFRR is an 07 but I traded an 03 RR in to get it.
The 03 was good but there have been some substantial changes and the 07 is not only leaps and bounds ahead of the D3 but also way ahead of the 03 RR.
My FFRR out handles the D3 by a mile on road and is far more comfortable on and off road and yes when I get the chance to, I take it off road.
As for a general all rounder, you just can’t go passed the D3 and at only two fifths the cost of the FFRR, it’s by far a better dollar for dollar value but I drive my RR long distances and there is just no comparison between the two.
The FFRR is heavier in handling but it is still far easier for long distance driving. When I bought it, I picked it up from the dealers in the afternoon and drove it 60 kms to the relos and then at about 10pm I jumped into it and drove 1,700 kms over the next 25 hours with a 4 hour sleep break at some more relos along the way.
I got home at 11 pm and then went for an hours drive showing the family. I then got out of the FFRR and felt like I had done nothing more than drive around the block.
I don’t know of any other vehicle, 4x4 or car, that you could do that sort of driving and still feel great.
Again, these are two totally different vehicles and you need to decide what you want the vehicle for before you decide which one is best for you.
The FFRR is NOT as friendly as a family 4x4 as the D3 is and the D3 has heaps more cargo area but you normally don’t buy an RR as cargo carrier, so again, it’s horses for courses. 2008 TDV8 RR Lux + 2009 D4 2.7
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| 9th Apr 2008 8:39 am |
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Baben
Member Since: 15 Feb 2006
Location: Kyalami
Posts: 2059
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DSL wrote:Anyone driven FFRR or RRS TDV8 that has driven a Torq Tuned or Turbo Chipped TDV6 and could say how they compare???
Hi DSL
Bear in mind these comments are based on my experience at about 1500-2000m above sea level, and only based on one vehicle of each type
IMHO the standard RRS TDV8 is about the same performance as a TorqTuned D3 TDV6 in a straight line.
When Mrs. Baben took delivery of her TDV8 a few weeks ago (used vehicle, 20 thousand km on the clock) I managed to convince her to let me drive it and raced against my brother-in-law (who has, admittedly, the fastest TDV6 I have ever TorqTuned for reasons unknown). I was unable to pass him at all, uphill or downhill.
Once you get to a corner, or have to stop in a hurry, there is absolutely no way the D3 can compare. Its simply mind-boggling how a fairly big vehicle like the RRS can hussle on the tarmac.
Offroad I reckon the D3 would be the winner. (Sorry VA) I won't be taking the RRS offroad to prove it though 
The post TT performance of the TDV8 is simply astounding. I have unfortunately yet to corner a RRS S/C to find out how it compares, but I reckon there would be not too much difference.
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| 9th Apr 2008 8:54 am |
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DWillerton
Member Since: 06 Apr 2007
Location: In front of you - and pulling away!
Posts: 154
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I can comment as we run a Td5 Alive remapped TDV6 D3 and a standard FFRR TDV8.
And it looks like I disagree with everyone in a similar position...
I find that the D3 interior - despite not having all the bells and whistles and not being visually so appealing - has a more solid feel to it. The D3 has as much interior integrity as my Audi A8 did - the difference between the Audi and RR was shocking.
There is no way that the D3 - even tuned - is close to being as fast as the V8. I bet a remapped V8 would be phenomenal though!
However, I do rate the handling of the D3 over the FFRR. Though this maybe due to me driving the D3 almost every day and the FFRR once a week or two. The FFRR does handle better than the P38a model, but they really were terrible on the corners.
And I reckon that my D3 (on steel springs) rides better than the FFRR.
I have never driven a RRS TDV8 but it does sounds to be the best compromise if you want out and out speed and handling with diesel economy Discovery 3 TDV6 5-Seat
Zambesi Silver
Td5 Alive remap, rubber mats, fixed tow bar, disco3.co.uk sticker.
Manual gearbox - steel springs - 17" wheels. No tinted windows, no leather, no terrain response, no foglights, no xenons, no trip computer, no side steps, no mud flaps, no A-frame, no spot lights, no lamp guards, no sat nav, no winch, no roof rack, no RAI, no PDC, no bluetooth, no ipod connectivity, no clear indicators and no bright finish trim.
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| 9th Apr 2008 10:12 am |
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Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
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Ken wrote:Heated steering wheel 8)
Cooled seats job for TFC? DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
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| 9th Apr 2008 10:15 am |
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ntc
Member Since: 10 Sep 2006
Location: S Yorks
Posts: 40
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John C wrote:Don't the FFRRs still have that separate window-frame/door-body arrangement (rather than one piece) like the old D2 - where the frame could wobble after a while. Maybe I'm weird, but it's that for me (and other things) that still makes me feel like the whole thing's just an outdated machine... (granted with a nice engine).
I had another drive i have to say that having had 3 d3's i think i will be ordering the 4th today
Thanks for all your reply's i think John C is right
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| 9th Apr 2008 2:13 pm |
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