loanrangie
Member Since: 18 Jun 2017
Location: Melbourne
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I have a mate with what appears to be cluster faults and looking the process of swapping in a 2nd hand cluster, i have access to one from an 05 vehicle but his is an 08, i think i read that this may be an issue ?
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 24th Mar 2023 2:11 am |
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Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
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They contain the imboliser code. So you can’t just swap them
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| 24th Mar 2023 5:45 am |
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aja4x4
Member Since: 14 Apr 2019
Location: Westbury
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You can swap them and put the earlier dash program in the Bcm if you have gap lld Andrew
D3 2.7tdv6 2005
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| 24th Mar 2023 5:57 am |
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loanrangie
Member Since: 18 Jun 2017
Location: Melbourne
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Pete K wrote:They contain the imboliser code. So you can’t just swap them
I know, its not what i asked.
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| 24th Mar 2023 7:05 am |
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loanrangie
Member Since: 18 Jun 2017
Location: Melbourne
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aja4x4 wrote:You can swap them and put the earlier dash program in the Bcm if you have gap lld
He has a gap tool so got that covered, will there be anything functionally different when the early cluster is fitted ?
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| 24th Mar 2023 7:08 am |
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KevinD3
Member Since: 05 Aug 2020
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There’s no “functionality” loss, the main issues are:
- As stated above, immobiliser codes are stored there so an accurate copy and dump of the old cluster needs to happen.
- The vehicle mileage is stored in the cluster, this can only be modified if the mileage in the replacement cluster is lower than the one being replaced, so car may inherit higher mileage.
- There’s the dry solder issue affecting cluster past a certain age so swapping out for an older one will increase the risk of failure.[/list][/list] 2008 HSE Stornoway Grey
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| 24th Mar 2023 7:27 am |
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loanrangie
Member Since: 18 Jun 2017
Location: Melbourne
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I know about the solder issue hence needing to replace the cluster, even if it lasts long enough so he can get his original repaired. The used cluster has less mileage not that its a real concern at this stage.
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| 24th Mar 2023 7:34 am |
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aja4x4
Member Since: 14 Apr 2019
Location: Westbury
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2005 vehicles dont normally suffer with cracked solder joints as they had lead based solder it was only in 2007 that Fords started using Lead free solder. Are you sure its the dash thats at fault a canbus fault in the vehicle can cause problems to show up on the dash Andrew
D3 2.7tdv6 2005
D4 3.0 SDV6 Commercial died and gone to LR heaven
D5 3.0 SDV6 HSE
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| 25th Mar 2023 7:16 am |
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loanrangie
Member Since: 18 Jun 2017
Location: Melbourne
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We don't know if its the cluster yet but looking at options if it is.
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| 25th Mar 2023 8:05 am |
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Flack
Member Since: 06 Sep 2006
Location: Preston Lancashire
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Just make a backup of the old ipak and restore it to the secondhand one.
Flack 
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| 25th Mar 2023 8:20 am |
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loanrangie
Member Since: 18 Jun 2017
Location: Melbourne
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Looks like we are going down the replacement route, i read elsewhere that a custom file from GAP is required but not seen it mentioned anywhere here ?
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| 2nd May 2023 6:34 am |
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gareth71
Member Since: 10 Apr 2016
Location: North-east Wales
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It could be worth getting in touch with Patryk at www.totaltronics.com - if it's a fault with the cluster, chances are he can fix it for you.
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| 2nd May 2023 10:24 am |
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loanrangie
Member Since: 18 Jun 2017
Location: Melbourne
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you can see my location right ? Sending it abroad is a last resort, i have a spare cluster and we will reprogram it and i will look at the old cluster and see if i can repair it as a backup.
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| 2nd May 2023 11:19 pm |
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shanegtr
Member Since: 22 Aug 2014
Location: Perth - Western Australia
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KevinD3 wrote:There’s no “functionality” loss, the main issues are:
- As stated above, immobiliser codes are stored there so an accurate copy and dump of the old cluster needs to happen.
- The vehicle mileage is stored in the cluster, this can only be modified if the mileage in the replacement cluster is lower than the one being replaced, so car may inherit higher mileage.
- There’s the dry solder issue affecting cluster past a certain age so swapping out for an older one will increase the risk of failure.[/list][/list]
I replaced my cluster with a lower mileage unit a few years ago. Even with lower mileage on the replacement cluster I couldnt update the ODO. Not sure if its changed but Pat from gap mentioned there was a bug that prevented the update once past a certain point - from memory I think it was 168,000km (I'm probably wrong with that figure but its the first one that popped into my head). Obvioulsy this info only relates to the Gap IID tool - other methods may be different. https://www.youtube.com/c/ShanesShed_yt
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| 2nd May 2023 11:49 pm |
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DiverDownWY
Member Since: 13 Dec 2022
Location: Colorado
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Having the same issue, as I’m looking for a repair service I can afford in the USA. Dose someone have a video link showing how to program a Replacement cluster using the gap tool?
As I do have one from another (unknown year lr3)
Visual learner so reading the manual for me is about useless.
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| 26th Sep 2023 11:23 pm |
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