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Darryl
 


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What’s the difference in these 2 shell Helix oils ?

Looking for oil ready for the up coming service I have 2 1 litre bottles of Shell Helix ultra to use and that meet the right spec for the vehicle and will get a 5 litre to make up but noticed they have ( AJ-L on the bottle )and others I’ve seen have AF-L , Both WSS-M2C 934-B Ford code , Is there really any difference?
  
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AF = ACEA A5/B5, https://www.shell-livedocs.com/data/publis...1c107e.pdf
AJ-L = ACEA C1, https://www.shell-livedocs.com/data/publis...39161e.pdf

Difference is C1 has low SAPS and is meant for diesels with, well, DPF.
 

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I’d speak to the very helpful technical support team at Smith & Allan. They’re Shell wholesalers/retailers.

Get yourself some of their bargain own branded oil to match, whilst you’re at it.

https://www.smithandallan.com/

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Your vehicle profile says 2005 D4 3.0 SDV6… you might want to fix that Whistle
  
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kajtzu wrote:
AF = ACEA A5/B5, https://www.shell-livedocs.com/data/publis...1c107e.pdf
AJ = ACEA C1, https://www.shell-livedocs.com/data/publis...39161e.pdf

Difference is C1 has low SAPS and is meant for diesels with, well, DPF.


Darryl was talking about AF-L, not AF and AF-L is A5/B5 (corrected thanks to kajtzu) - ASEA C1
 

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Thanks for noticing difference between AF and AF-L. The latter is C1 as well, not A3/B3 however.

https://www.shell-livedocs.com/data/publis...16bc67.pdf
  
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You're right kajtzu. I changed it in my post.
  
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I think we can summarize this as “it isn’t very easy to differentiate between all of these”. Laughing

The specs on the AJ-L and AF-L are quite different yet they claim compatibility to the same reference specifications. Rolling Eyes
  
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Thanks for the replies, The AJ-L is what is specified from Halfrauds , I brought a litre to to up when I thought I was loosing oil and got another 1 litre to carry with me when I went on a few hundred mile journey, Been ok since but service due so wanted to use what I have and just noticed this isn’t available in 5 litre at halfrauds and can find it available in 5 litres even on shell website , 1 litre and 100 and something litres tubs only!! , Yes looked at the smith and Allen oils might consider this, Also thanks for the update on the D4 description being 05 Embarassed Big Cry Will rectify accordingly Whistle
  
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Re: What’s the difference in these 2 shell Helix oils ?

Darryl wrote:
Looking for oil ready for the up coming service I have 2 1 litre bottles of Shell Helix ultra to use and that meet the right spec for the vehicle and will get a 5 litre to make up but noticed they have ( AJ-L on the bottle )and others I’ve seen have AF-L , Both WSS-M2C 934-B Ford code , Is there really any difference?


AF-L was the landrover specific oil now no longer available AJ-L is the same oil badged up for jaguar now not landrover i use both as they are the same but its getting hard now to find AF-L so no worries there the same
 please excuse any grammer/punctuation mistakes,i'm thick,thankyou
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Darryl
 


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Thanks eightfoot, I found the 5 litre AJ-L at £49 delivered from CMG oils direct , Probably the best price I’ve seen so far , Seen it at £85 on euro parts Shocked , And £60 plus elsewhere, Anyone used CMG oils?
  
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Re: What’s the difference in these 2 shell Helix oils ?

eightfoot wrote:
Darryl wrote:
Looking for oil ready for the up coming service I have 2 1 litre bottles of Shell Helix ultra to use and that meet the right spec for the vehicle and will get a 5 litre to make up but noticed they have ( AJ-L on the bottle )and others I’ve seen have AF-L , Both WSS-M2C 934-B Ford code , Is there really any difference?


AF-L was the landrover specific oil now no longer available AJ-L is the same oil badged up for jaguar now not landrover i use both as they are the same but its getting hard now to find AF-L so no worries there the same


Indeed. AJ-L replaced AF-L and both meet the correct spec for my D4.
However, I've moved over to Smith and Allan oils now and their equivalent is Momentum C1 F 5W-30 which meets WSS-M2C934-B. From memory, ~£25 for 5l.
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if its any help when i collected my d4 the parts guy said to use the AF-L oil and rotate the spare key every month so as to get used Thumbs Up

ps look on the bay as thats where i get my oil from its the cheapest and you often get a discount coupon making it even cheaper
 please excuse any grammer/punctuation mistakes,i'm thick,thankyou
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Davethego , do you think the smith and Allan oils are as good quality? Eight foot, not sure if I trust oil from eBay even though I did look and it’s not much different in price!
  
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