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Piero
Member Since: 10 Jan 2006
Location: SW London
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The D3 still amazes me with it's talents daily, yes they might have more niggles than a Pathfinder but to be honest I couldn't care less as the product is miles ahead in all other aspects.  2006 TDV6 SE
Buckingham Blue/Alpaca
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 18th Mar 2006 1:40 pm |
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mudplugger
Member Since: 25 Feb 2006
Location: err... near Inglewhite, Lancs.
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Don't forget that many car companies employ marketing companies who use 'web opinion formers' who charge a fee to simply sit on the net all day - and post on forums, and try and steer opiniuon in favour of who is paying their invoices...
It's a widely used and recognised technique - just check out the jobs pages in 'Campaign' the Marketing industry's weekly rag.
I always get suspicious when you get a seemingly one-off post that will ALWAYS name a better version/vehicle/soap powder..
Just possible that SumpCracker has an ulterior motive..?
Go on SumpCracker - reply and prove me wrong...
Regards,
Muddy
(New D3 owner - only 2000 miles and still very impressed) From a two Land Rover household to one big FFRR...
Range Rover Vogue TDV8
Shogun SWB 4Work
Steyr M9094 Tractor
(Still a D3 fan though!)
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| 18th Mar 2006 2:22 pm |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 18296
 
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Have you not worked it out yet ??
He won't reply...
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| 18th Mar 2006 2:32 pm |
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mudplugger
Member Since: 25 Feb 2006
Location: err... near Inglewhite, Lancs.
Posts: 89
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Yep, figured that - but thought an alternative conspiracy theory worth a posting... 
Muddy From a two Land Rover household to one big FFRR...
Range Rover Vogue TDV8
Shogun SWB 4Work
Steyr M9094 Tractor
(Still a D3 fan though!)
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| 18th Mar 2006 2:37 pm |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 18296
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LOL
good luck with it... will play along if it helps 
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| 18th Mar 2006 5:06 pm |
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Mossy
Member Since: 01 Jul 2005
Location: Hollyoaks, UK
Posts: 2682
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mudplugger wrote:
I always get suspicious when you get a seemingly one-off post that will ALWAYS name a better version/vehicle/soap powder..
Steady on there, we all know that DAZ is the best...or was it Bold... although it could have been Fairy Non-Bio. D3 HSE V8...
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| 18th Mar 2006 5:41 pm |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 18296
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Are all washing powders and liquids not made by the same company anyway... Lever ? or something ?
Always makes laugh when each ad says its the best ever when at the very end the Lever logo appears on all of them 
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| 18th Mar 2006 7:31 pm |
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SGK
Member Since: 10 Jun 2006
Location: Melbourne
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For what it's worth, 3 years ago I tested quite a number of 4WDs including the old Discovery. In fact I actually went from the Landrover dealer directly to Toyota and tested the Prado Grande on the same day.
The difference was huge. The Prado was much more comfortable and had lots more features. In comparison the old Discovery felt like a truck.
The Prado stood head and shoulders above Mitsubishi, Nissan, Landrover and could actually go off road (which is why the Volvo XC90, BMW and Co where of no interest to me - tested them anyway, though). Plus it was available in Diesel.
A year ago a friend of mine bought the top of the Line Pajero and we swapped cars to see how they compared. After he got out of the Prado, he called his Pajero a truck (and rightly so in my view )
Earlier this year I went to the Melbourne Motor show and looked for 7 seater cars, as the Prado claims to have 8 seats, but the last row is really only suitable for small kids. While I admit that at that stage I had not fallen in love with the looks of the D3, I got in and could not believe the amount of space.
A month or so later I took a testdrive in the D3 and could not believe the difference. All of a sudden my Grande felt like the truck!
I ended up doing lots of research - also on this Forum on the Discovery, and it became fairly obvious that the D3 has had its share of problems at the beginning, but that these seem to be sorted by now. So in fact doing the research here strenghtened my enthusiasm for the D3.
The result is I sold my truck and my D3 has just arrived at the dealer. Looks like I have to convince him to get me the Cooper H/T Plus tyres though, based on Drivesafe's post on tyres.
Not sure how this forum could put anyone off the D3. I have even talked myself into loving its design. And I certainly won't miss those days where I was surrounded by three or four Prados at a Traffic Light
Can't wait to lay my hands on it. Only downside: I'll miss my 180 litre tank and the tyre mounted on the back door (it was so handy for the bike carrier).
Oh, and funnily enough, my Prado was bought by a couple who had tested the new Pathfinder ...
Conspiracies make life more interesting ... Prado Grande --> D3 --> D4 ... its getting better all the time
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| 23rd Aug 2006 1:53 pm |
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d3syd
Member Since: 04 May 2006
Location: Scamander, Tasmania, Australia
Posts: 168
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SGK, you're going to love it. Welcome to the world of the Permagrin
I'm always finding excuses to jump in my car for a drive, even if it's just to move it from one spot to another in parking lot  '06 TDV6 SE AUTO BUCKINGHAM BLUE
'98 Volvo V70
'87 Mecedes 420 SEL
'08 BMW 135i Coupe Twin Turbo
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| 23rd Aug 2006 2:33 pm |
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catweasel
Member Since: 05 May 2006
Location: Bundaleer
Posts: 4805
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simon wrote:Have you not worked it out yet ??
He won't reply...
no he won't. he's up on the grassy knol with the other gunmen
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| 23rd Aug 2006 3:08 pm |
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vertex
Member Since: 05 Jun 2006
Location: Dubai
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OK everyone,
I was hoping to share my post in different cicumstances but i could not resist!
Last weekend, I test drove the Audi Q7 3.0 ltr TDI.
it is a car which is branded as a 7 seater, from the inventors of 4 wheel drive...the ride was good and the engine superb. But....I thought the engine was noisier than the one in the D3, the seats (driver one) less comfy than D3, and the 2 rear seats, well if you are longer than 5 inches you can't fit. Most importantly,if you add the same options as on the D3 HSE, it comes to £47.5K. I think this is a case of less for more! 
after the test drive, I went straight to the Thames ditton land rover dealer and tested the D3 again. Enough to say that it brought the 'permagrin' on my face!!!!
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| 23rd Aug 2006 4:56 pm |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 18296
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vertex... I think many will buy the Q7 as its an Audi and massive - no other reason. And I don't believe Audi invented four wheel drive though It was probably an American who did that
So... did you order the D3 or are you still looking ?
If you ordered the D3 we'll no doubt be hearing more from you.
Interesting that the Honest John site refs disco3 for more info.
cheers
-s
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| 23rd Aug 2006 5:12 pm |
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DG
Site Moderator
Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50962
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4x4 History to 2002
Quote:
1898: Latil (France) making front wheel drive units and then 4x4.
1898: Tatra starts manufacturing.
1900: Ferdinand Porsche's La Toujours Contente is battery-powered with 4 electric motors, one per wheel. He later patents the Mixte transmission: a petrol engine drives a dynamo and electric motors drive the wheels (too expensive for the day).
1902: Spyker (Dutch) full-time four wheel drive car built. Exhibited at the Paris Motor Show in December 1903 [Sco61].
1907: Felix and Norman Caldwell of South Australia apply for a patent for four wheel drive plus four wheel steering; they go on to build Caldwell Vale 4x4 trucks with Henry Vale.
1911: FWD sells its first 4x4 [Bal87].
1913: Jeffrey Quad 4X4 truck goes into production.
1915: Big Lizzie road train (Au).
1917: First Oshkosh four wheel drive truck [Bal88].
1922, December 17: Citroen half-tracks leave from Touggourt in Algeria to cross the Sahara Desert.
1924, December 28: Citroen half-tracks leave to traverse Africa.
1929: AEC start to build AWD trucks in conjunction with FWD (UK).
1931-1932: Citroen-Haardt expedition, using Citroen half-tracks, follows part of Marco-Polo's route from Beirut to Beijing.
1932: Miller 4x4 racing cars at Indianapolis.
1934: AEC road train (one of three built) brought to Australia. It consisted of an 8x8 prime-mover and two 8-wheel self-tracking trailers.
1934: Dodge start building 4WD trucks (- George Miles).
1934: Prototype PX-33 four wheel drive car built for the Japanese government; the car did not go into production (Mitsubishi). Thanks to Balazs Toth.
1938: GAZ 61 - Russian 4x4.
1940: Jeep specification issued.
1940-1941: Bantam build 2700 light 4x4s, early "Jeeps".
1941-1945: Ford and Willys-Overland build 700,000 General Purpose vehicles for WWII (GP becomes Jeep).
1946, October 10: Unimog introduced (- H. J. Feil).
1948: Series-1 Land-Rover released.
1948: Ford release first of the F-Series vehicles.
1950: Ford GPA, or amphibious Jeep `Half Safe' crosses the Atlantic ocean (I am not making this up).
1951: First Toyota Landcruiser built, as the `BJ Jeep', the LandCruiser name came in 1954.
1951 - NAPCO (Northwestern Auto Parts Company) starts to produce 4x4 conversion units. The earliest documentable truck to be converted by NAPCO was a 1951 Chevy 3/4 ton owned by Butch Gehrig of Odell, Oregon.
1954-1956: Amphibious Jeep `La Tortuga' "drives" from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego.
1955-1956: London to Singapore overland (except for Channel!) 2 x Land-Rovers.
1958: First Toyota LandCruisers imported into Australia.
1959: Haflinger by Steyr-Daimler-Puch.
1960: A Jeep and a Land-Rover traverse the Darien Gap.
1961: Stirling Moss driving a Ferguson Project 99 (P99) with the Ferguson 4WD system wins the Oulton Park Gold-Cup race.
1964, 17 July: Bluebird (4WD) raises the land speed record to 403 mph.
1966: Jensen FF all wheel drive road car is put into production (until 1971), using a Ferguson Formula 4WD system with centre diff' and viscous coupling ?? --> (the FF also had ABS brakes) - John Wild.
1970: Range Rover released - luxury full-time 4WD.
1971: Ford Falcon XY ute 4WD (Australia)
1971: Four wheel drive on the Moon
1971-1972: British Trans-Americas Range Rover expedition.
1974: Subaru Leone L-series - four wheel drive passenger car.
1979: AMC produce the Eagle 4x4 car
1981: Humvee or Hummer (HMMWV - High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle) specification issued.
1981: Audi revolutionize rallying with the Quattro 4WD rally car.
1981: Porsche must have been watching Audi as they showed a Porsche 911 AWD concept car at the Frankfurt Motor Show [Porsche].
1983: Land Rover 110, coil-sprung, full-time 4WD.
1984: A Porsche 911 AWD wins the Paris Dakar rally.
1986: Porsche 959 AWDs finish 1, 2 and 6 in the Paris Dakar rally.
1994: Range Rover completely revised.
1996: Jeep Wrangler gets coil springs!
2002 and onwards???
2004 Disco3 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 23rd Aug 2006 5:21 pm |
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al cope
Member Since: 08 Nov 2005
Location: Oldbury, WM
Posts: 10319
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Guys
had to join in on the Audi bit. Whilst I was on me hols in France, a german guy on one site we were on had a Q7 (towing a fairly larger Burstner caravan), and I was amazed at how small it was inside, and when i parked my D3 next to, it didnt look big at all, in fact fairly small. Also, he got it stcuk getting up a small incline onto a bridge with the caravan on the back.
Al Volvo XC90 B5 Plus Dark
Gone - MY18 D5 HSE - Corris on 22's with Black Pack
Now gone - MY16 D4 SE Tech, Loire Blue, Almond Leather, Privacy, plus some other goodies.
Old - MY12 D4 SDV6 XS Auto - Ipanema Sand with Almond Leather - Plus other niceties, and D4.com sticker
Older - D3 TDV6 XS Auto - Lugano Teal with Almond Leather, 20" Stormers, Shiny Tailpipes, DVD/TV - and obligatory D3 sticker
Ancient - D3 TDV6 S - Tonga with Ebony, 20" Stormers, satnav & DVD
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| 23rd Aug 2006 5:25 pm |
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vertex
Member Since: 05 Jun 2006
Location: Dubai
Posts: 176
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I am still debating with SWMBO what colour to go for...hesitating between too many colours (Arctic frost/Buckingham blue/Vienna green or Tonga green). I need to see some with these colours before I make up my mind.
Also, if anyone can recommend a dealer who can offer a really good deal (cash, no part exchange) , that would be welcome.
Finally, is it worth getting the rear lock differential? I will be doing some moderate offroading but I guess the stock diff should do?
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| 23rd Aug 2006 5:26 pm |
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