Member Since: 09 Dec 2010
Location: newcastle upon tyne
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Steering wheel wobble
Hi i have a 2010 D4 XS and I have noticed a steering wheel shake/wobble under braking. Anyone else have this issue and know if this is a common problem?
28th Jul 2011 9:07 am
DiscoDunc
Member Since: 08 May 2006
Location: Bristol
Posts: 16390
yes i have the same and into dealer next week.
there is a TSB for it - possibly caused by discs/caliper.Duncan
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28th Jul 2011 9:08 am
aman822311
Member Since: 09 Dec 2010
Location: newcastle upon tyne
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interesting and relieved that it coudl be a common issue. woudl all the repair work be covered under warranty?
28th Jul 2011 9:12 am
DiscoDunc
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Location: Bristol
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yes
http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic56415.h...2BsteeringDuncan
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28th Jul 2011 9:13 am
aman822311
Member Since: 09 Dec 2010
Location: newcastle upon tyne
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Thanks guys. Does anyone have the TSB for this that they could cut/paste into a reply?
28th Jul 2011 1:22 pm
DiscoDunc
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pm me you email addressDuncan
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D4 HSE MY10 SOLD
D4 SE TECH MY15 SOLD
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D4 HSE MY10 SOLD
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28th Jul 2011 1:25 pm
Matt R
Member Since: 04 May 2010
Location: Hants
Posts: 49
Mine had the same fault (at 5k mikes..) and the dealer changed pads and discs under warranty.
They then rebooked the car back in for front wheel bearings (which were out of stock at the time..)
Going back in next week to have these done, but not sure what could be wrong with wheel bearings that would cause brake disc warping ??
They also said they needed to check the front suspension...
Is the content of the TSB top secret? Or can someone just post it here pls ?
Thanks for any info
28th Jul 2011 8:02 pm
aman822311
Member Since: 09 Dec 2010
Location: newcastle upon tyne
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Well an update. Car went in last week and had the steering wheel, steering rack and front bushes replaced. Whilst at slower speeds the vibration on braking has improved, after a jaunt on the A1 it was obvious that the steering wheel shimmy from left to right was still present when braking between 40-70mph. The wheel feels like it's from a 250,000 Datsun not a £45k 1.5year old car with 20,000 miles on the clock when braking at such speeds.
First time I have ventured away from german cars. Very frustrated. Buyers remorse.....
Back in the garage tomorrow. Not sure what else they can replace!
2nd Aug 2011 7:35 am
GraemeS
Member Since: 17 Mar 2008
Location: NSW
Posts: 706
Have the wheels been swapped front to rear to see if there's any improvement? There could be a faulty tyre.Home of LLAMS, for LRs and Jeep GCs
2nd Aug 2011 8:28 am
packingstrips
Member Since: 24 Mar 2010
Location: uk
Posts: 435
Land Rover are chucking alot of money on this issue which isnt warranted imo.
They change the rack,weighted steering wheel and front lower rear bushes for this issue...after roadtest most will still wobble so the discs are being replaced last of all. LR need to jump on this and replace the discs only.
LR are not the only top end car maker with wheel vibration on braking there are others but no one has a fix yet.
The easy option is to stiffen the power steering up which will kill the vibration, but it will also kill any feed back through the steering.
A few months ago, (half through curiosity and half because I spend my working days painting rotor and calipers for o/e's like Land Rover) I wrote to all the major European manufactures of brake discs and ask a number of questions, one was on disc warpage. the following are the responses from a number of o/e, race and after market manufactures.
In answer to this question all the responses followed the same line:
“Brake vibration that occurs around 2-3000 miles after fitting is always an incorrect fitting procedure the instructions on the box must be observed exactly or this vibration will occur
Discs never warp it is always something else
It is ESSENTIAL that the vehicle hub is thoroughly clean, particularly around the bolt holes. Then lightly smear the cleaned surface with non-metallic grease (stops the early rusting).
Our testing on "warped" discs before and after cleaning the discs shows the amount of run out to drop by up to 3 timesâ€.
“Avoid leaving the foot brake on after a prolonged stop. heat transfer from pad to disc can temper the metal and result in a different wear rate.
The higher quality disc is more resistant to these abuses.â€
“Vibrations are felt through the car with a pulsating pedal when braking. ‘ Pedal bounce’ If the steering wheel vibrates also, this tends to indicate the problem is with the front brakes.
“Cause: Usually due to variations in disc thickness - DTV. These variations in thickness are usually the result of excessive disc run-out, caused by mating the disc to dirty or distorted hubs. When driving (brakes off), the pads are normally in close contact to the disc. However, when there is excessive disc run-out, the pads scuff the ‘high’ parts of the disc onâ€
“Solution: Replace the damaged discs; but when doing so inspect the hubs properly and use a dial gauge to ensure disc run-out is less than 0.1mm (0.004â€). This will avoid damaging the new discs. Alternatively, if the discs are only slightly worn, they can be machined on the car so that they run perfectly trueâ€.
“Facts: If you fit new discs and they’re great for the first 1,000-2,000 miles and then you start to notice a very slight judder developing, you’ve probably got DTV caused by run outâ€.
“If you fit new discs and they immediately judder, then it’s probable (although very rare) that they have been machined incorrectly or there was a flaw in the castingâ€.
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