Broadsword
Member Since: 12 Mar 2013
Location: Hastings
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| My new (second hand) Discovery HSE in Nara Bronze |
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About to pick up my 2009 (late 09) Discovery 4 HSE presumably one of the first, as it was not launched, I believe, until the Autumn. It is Nara Bronze, I suspect a love it or hate it colour. Not my first choice but you can look for ever for exactly the right spec. Recovering from a knee op with plenty of time to check out cars on EBay I progressed from losing a bid on a Disco 2 to a trip (my wife's idea) to cheer me up by looking at newer ones at the Dealer's. That changed me for ever.The one I thought was great had just sold but not to be deterred, again with time to kill, I found another at a dealer not too far away. Priced more keenly than the first one (By £5K) I was looking for the snags but there are none. It has side steps, tow bar and cameras to see if the wheels are still clean (or so it seemed). Unmarked too and with 46k on the clock. It is due for a service so that is being done. I can compare it with my wife's ML270cdi and the pair of Mavericks/Tributes I have been driving. There is no comparison. So much more comfortable and well equipped but so quick too. Nearest comparison is my wife's ML and that is so slow particularly if you set off by climbing a hill. My only worry is reliability although the first year is covered by the assured programme. Hope the body does not need to be lifted off for some failure 13 months on! Of course the dealer says they are now really reliable (is that 13MY reliable or 10MY reliable?). They would say that as they tried to sell a lifetime paint treatment and GAP for £1k plus!
Anyway, delighted so far and all has gone smoothly. The dealer has been good about sorting trivial details like a rubber door handle plug missing, finding an ipod lead etc. 
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DSL
Keeper of the wheelie bin
Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Off again! :-)
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Broadsword calling Danny Boy, Broadsword calling Danny Boy!!
Sorry couldn't resist!! 
Welcome. 
Broadsword wrote:the dealer says they are now really reliable
They always say that!! 
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| 26th Mar 2013 10:56 am |
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Woolmeister
Member Since: 26 Mar 2007
Location: Chandler's Ford
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Ask the supplying dealer to check that all 6 of the glow plugs are working before you hand over your money/sign on the dotted line otherwise the body will have to be lifted!
If they're not, they need to sort that out otherwise you will end-up with a VERY expensive (c. £2.5k) problem on your hands in a few years time. The car was designed and built with 6 fully functional glow plugs; it should still have 6 fully functional glow plugs.
Nara Bronze is a great colour.
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2017 Discovery Sport HSE Auto in Carpathian Grey and Ebony Leather. Modern JLR Junk. Gone.
2007 Discovery 3 TDV6 S Manual in Zermatt Silver with Ebony Cloth (143k) Gone, but now patrolling the Asia section of the West Midlands Safari Park!
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| 26th Mar 2013 12:32 pm |
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euangibson
Member Since: 24 Dec 2010
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Nice one Del.....I was just about to ask if Danny Boy had recommended this site to him,but was too slow as usual 
Welcome to the Madhouse Broadsword.......love the colour btw,as the owner of another "Marmite" colour I respect your desire not to follow the herd "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool,than to speak out and remove all doubt" ?.....what rubbish...
Locking rear E-diff
RLD spare wheel protector & sump guard
Extended roof rails
Series 111 mudflaps
Black side tubes,grill and vents
Timed climate remote
Hids4u interior lights
D4 Firenze my2012 HSE
D3 Java 2005 SE manual (sold,sadly,thanks for the memories)
1966 '88 Series 2a....still starts in the morning better than I do...
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| 26th Mar 2013 12:46 pm |
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Broadsword
Member Since: 12 Mar 2013
Location: Hastings
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Thanks Steve, helpful advice. The dealers are being very thorough. I asked them to check all service recalls had been done and they said these are all checked as part of the PDI to qualify for their assured programme. Is it not reasonable to assume that the glow plugs will show up when they attach it to their magic box or is there some specific check to be carried out?
My wife's ML had the glow plugs done, I was going to do it myself but got faint hearted at the thought they might be stuck fast and fracture in removal. The main dealer charged several hundred but nothing like £2.5k! Wow, LR are really a premium brand when I start thinking of Merc as cheap!
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| 26th Mar 2013 12:49 pm |
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Woolmeister
Member Since: 26 Mar 2007
Location: Chandler's Ford
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Unfortunately, glow plugs will not log any error codes in the ECU as they are not monitored by the ECU (at least they aren't on a D3). The only way to test them is by using a digital multimeter to test the resistance between the glow plug terminal and the common ground. This can be done reasonably effectively via the two multiplugs that supply power to the glow plugs on top of the engine (once the black plastic cover has been removed).
There have been many discussions around glow plugs on here recently due to cold weather we're experiencing. Several members have been stranded in the Alps, unable to start their engines due to failed glow plugs over the last couple of months. Another member, local to me, has now lost all 6 glow plugs in his 2005 D3. I am two down, last time I checked.
The glow plugs in our engines are only M8 in diameter I think and they have a tendency to seize inside the cylinder head. If they snap-off whilst being removed, the cylinder head typically has to be removed which is a body off job (up to 40 hours labour according to Disco_Mikey). The cylinder heads then have to be skimmed before replacing everything.
Read this: http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic92758.html
Not trying to scare you off the car because they really are great cars to drive and own. Just making you aware that if you want to use the car in colder climates than the UK, then you really do need to have a full set of functioning glow plugs. Some cars start with little bother with fewer functional glow plugs. Others don't.
I'm not sure if it will affect your Land Rover Assistance policy but you will need to find a good independent LR specialist when that expires unless you want to pay the ridiculous amounts that LR dealers charge for labour these days.
One member, only yesterday, was quoted £900 just to replace brake discs and pads all round on his D3. 
This is probably a four hour job with parts totalling not much more than £350 (even for Genuine LR).
That aside, enjoy your new car. I'm sure you won't regret it. 2021 BMW iX3 Premier Edition in Carbon Black ⚡️🔌
2019 Škoda Kodiaq 2.0 Tdi 190 DSG Sportline in Quartz Grey. Excellent vehicle. Gone.
2017 Discovery Sport HSE Auto in Carpathian Grey and Ebony Leather. Modern JLR Junk. Gone.
2007 Discovery 3 TDV6 S Manual in Zermatt Silver with Ebony Cloth (143k) Gone, but now patrolling the Asia section of the West Midlands Safari Park!
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| 26th Mar 2013 1:18 pm |
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Martin
Site Admin and Owner
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Has it been confirmed that the D4 3.0 has the same seized glowplug issue as the D3 2.7? 06 D3 SE / 15 LR D90 XS SW / 88 LR 90 Td5 / 68 BMW 2000 ti
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| 26th Mar 2013 1:21 pm |
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Woolmeister
Member Since: 26 Mar 2007
Location: Chandler's Ford
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In another thread, Boringoldgit confirmed that the thread diameters are the same ( M8 ) but different part numbers.
It's only the lights that are different anyway isn't it, Boss?  2021 BMW iX3 Premier Edition in Carbon Black ⚡️🔌
2019 Škoda Kodiaq 2.0 Tdi 190 DSG Sportline in Quartz Grey. Excellent vehicle. Gone.
2017 Discovery Sport HSE Auto in Carpathian Grey and Ebony Leather. Modern JLR Junk. Gone.
2007 Discovery 3 TDV6 S Manual in Zermatt Silver with Ebony Cloth (143k) Gone, but now patrolling the Asia section of the West Midlands Safari Park!
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| 26th Mar 2013 1:23 pm |
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Broadsword
Member Since: 12 Mar 2013
Location: Hastings
Posts: 65
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Thank you again for helpful advice. I am familiar with the snags and the will start/won't start from my wife's ML. All the same and sadly as glow plugs are a bit like spark plugs they are expendable. In fact if you don't remove them young, they will seize, so lasting a long time is not necessarily a good thing.
We have a good indie here in town, or so I am told by a Defender owner.
Thanks for all your encouragement and support for marmite colour! It will be known by that from henceforth. In our household even the dog loves marmite, so appropriate really. Brian - East Sussex
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2009 (09) 10MY Discovery 4 HSE
Nara Bronze
Ebony Upholstery
Side steps
Tow bar
Surround Cameras
TV
Full floor mats
Heated steering wheel (!)
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| 26th Mar 2013 1:37 pm |
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crews control
Member Since: 18 Mar 2007
Location: Dorset
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Broadsword, although this forum is full of very helpful people and great advice, you have to bare in mind two points:
1/ People always post when they are having problems and rarely when everything is going great.
2/ If you're having problems it's comforting to think it's a design fault rather than you're just being unlucky.
Welcome to the forum - Nara Bronze is my favourite colour... after Fuji White obviously
(P.S. I'm on my second disco after 180,000 miles of basically trouble free business motoring without a single lost day of work - something I couldn't say about the merc's and volvo's I drove previously)
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| 26th Mar 2013 1:44 pm |
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Bill Wright
Member Since: 03 Nov 2007
Location: Glorious Devon
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| Re: My new (second hand) Discovery HSE in Nara Bronze |
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Broadsword wrote:About to pick up my 2009 (late 09) Discovery 4 HSE presumably one of the first, as it was not launched, I believe, until the Autumn. It is Nara Bronze,
Nara Bronze was a new colour released to coincide with the launch of MY10. I had one for two years and loved the colour but MY12 came up with Firenze Red so ..................
Bill Never take life too seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
D4 SDV6 SE Tech Kaikoura Stone MY15.
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| 26th Mar 2013 2:23 pm |
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Broadsword
Member Since: 12 Mar 2013
Location: Hastings
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| Will it have a dpf? Wow, I have the right colour too ! |
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As a keen new owner I picked up the 2010MY brochure off of EBay. To my surprise it says the DPF is an option. I thought by late 2009 all diesels had dpf. I assume my brochure is a UK edition as the address etc is a UK response.
Is there a quick and easy way to tell if my 3.0 TDV6 MY10 (registered 09) has a dpf fitted. I know there are comments elsewhere about increased engine speed and heat smells when a dpf is fitted but just wanted to know ahead of time. I do not pick it up until Friday.
I am delighted there is such support for the Nara Bronze. Mine also has a "possible" upholstery rather than a recommended colour with Ebony leather. Recommended is almond. It does not look bad though i accept that almond is great, if less practical for day to day use and when creased with age (I am keeping it a long time). Brian - East Sussex
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2009 (09) 10MY Discovery 4 HSE
Nara Bronze
Ebony Upholstery
Side steps
Tow bar
Surround Cameras
TV
Full floor mats
Heated steering wheel (!)
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| 26th Mar 2013 2:49 pm |
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WOODY179
Member Since: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Chesterfield
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DPF's did not become a standard fit until MY11.
Nara Bronze is the best colour, but I might be biased Looks brilliant but even better when the sun is on it - if we ever get any!
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| 26th Mar 2013 3:17 pm |
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Grease Monkey
Member Since: 24 May 2009
Location: Essex
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Welcome to the very exclusive "09 reg D4 Club"
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Cheers,
GM
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| 26th Mar 2013 6:46 pm |
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Russell
Member Since: 23 Aug 2007
Location: Kent
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Nara Bronze is the best
Which dealer have you got yours from? Look at getting the timed climate activated by Geoff or similar and come and join the meet normally held 4/6 weekly. MY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
MY15 D4 HSE Kaikoura Stone
MY12 D4 HSE Nara Bronze Sold and gone
MY11 D4 HSE Stornaway Grey Sold and gone
D3 S spec Silver Sold and gone
Tow bar, full length roof bars, side steps, tow bar storage unit, surround camers.
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