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kvfive
Member Since: 20 Feb 2013
Location: Beds
Posts: 22
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Discovery 3 2.7 engine oil ? |
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Hi All,
What is the manufacturers recommended oil ?
Semi synthetic, fully synthetic, 5W 30, 5W 40 ?
searching the net is giving me conflicting answers
I use (in a Vauxhall) GM Fully Synthetic 5W 30
Can I put this in our Discovery 3 2.7 ?
Thanks in advance,
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28th Mar 2013 8:29 am |
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Nightrider
Member Since: 21 Aug 2012
Location: In a box
Posts: 67
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Go for Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 A1 Fully Synthetic Engine Oil - Recommended by Ford halfords has it on special till Tuesday £20.99 4l
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28th Mar 2013 8:55 am |
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Fifth Horseman
Member Since: 23 Oct 2012
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 217
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The oil needs to meet Ford spec WSS-M2C-913B or C. any of the oils listed below (in rough order of ascending price) would do the job
Gulf Formula FE 5w-30 WSS-M2C-913A/B ACEA A1/B1
Fuchs TITAN XTR 5w-30 WSS-M2C-913B ACEA A5/B5
Fuchs TITAN Supersyn F 5w-30 WSS-M2C-913C ACEA A5/B5
Shell Helix HX7 AF 5w-30 WSS-M2C-913A/B ACEA A1/B1
Mobil Super 3000 X1 FE 5w-30 WSS-M2C-913C ACEA A5/B5
Gulf Formula FS 5w-30 WSS-M2C-913C ACEA A5/B5
Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 A1 WSS-M2C-913A-C ACEA A5/B5
Motul 8100 Eco-nergy 5W-30 WSS-M2C-913C ACEA A5/B5
Millers Oils XF Longlife ECO 5w-30 WSS-M2C-913B/C ACEA A5/B5
Motul SPECIFIC 913C 5W-30 WSS-M2C-913C ACEA A5/B5
Personal Choice would be Fuchs Supersyn, Mobil 3000, Castrol Magnatec or Motul 8100 depending on best price.
Fuchs used to be Silkolene oils.
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28th Mar 2013 9:37 am |
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tackit
Member Since: 02 Feb 2013
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 122
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Is this any good? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Disco...5652b8fbc9
My car has been serviced for the past 6 years with Havoline Energy 5w-30 by an Indy. They have not changed what they use in those years, so it must be fine.
Any 5w-30 fully synthetic would probably be fine. D3 HSE + Java + Alpaca + Privacy + ECU Upgrade
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28th Mar 2013 9:57 am |
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Advanced Factors
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tackit wrote:Any 5w-30 fully synthetic would probably be fine.
Sort of true but you get what you pay for in life.
There are just a few refineries in the country, a few more blenders and more still companies just bottling.
A 5w30 fully synthetic can be bought for less than £10 for a 4.55ltr and this would be base oil meeting the minimum spec, true your engine would run on it but we in this forum are running engines that can't be replaced for peanuts, stick with the nicer brands!
The specification of 5w30's is mainly around the additive package that goes into the blend, most now are low SAPS (Sulphated Ash Phosporus and Sulphur) this is to help keep the Cat or DPF clean, vehicle manufacturers adjust the specification to add different detergent packages that they think best for their engine.
Most of our handbooks say Castrol 5w30 this is the original fill and therefore the recommended, not essential but try to get to the original specification. For Castrol it would have been Magnatec because that was the oil of the day in 2004, today it is Edge, not recommended just because it didnt exist but it is a newer and superior specification.
Anyway just to bore the socks off you, the 5w30 is suitable for the UK climate but would not necessarily be so for other climates, this bit I have copied from elsewhere explains:
In a 10w-40 for example the 10w bit (W = winter, not weight or watt or anything else for that matter) simply means that the oil must have a certain maximum viscosity/flow at low temperature. The lower the “W†number the better the oils cold temperature/cold start performance.
The 40 in a 10w-40 simply means that the oil must fall within certain viscosity limits at 100 degC. This is a fixed limit and all oils that end in 40 must achieve these limits. Once again the lower the number the thinner the oil, a 30 oil is thinner than a 40 oil at 100 degC etc. Your handbook will specify whether a 30, 40 or 50 etc is required.
ACEA: This is the European equivalent of API (US) and is more specific in what the performance of the oil actually is. A = Petrol, B = Diesel and C = Catalyst compatible or low SAPS (Sulphated Ash, Phosphorus and Sulphur).
Unlike API the ACEA specs are split into performance/application catagories as follows:
A1 Fuel economy petrol
A2 Standard performance level (now obsolete)
A3 High performance and/or extended drain
A4 Reserved for future use in certain direct injection engines
A5 Combines A1 fuel economy with A3 performance
B1 Fuel economy diesel
B2 Standard performance level (now obsolete)
B3 High performance and/or extended drain
B4 For direct injection car diesel engines
B5 Combines B1 fuel economy with B3/B4 performance
C1-04 Petrol and Light duty Diesel engines, based on A5/B5-04 low SAPS, two way catalyst compatible.
C2-04 Petrol and light duty Diesel engines, based on A5/B5-04 mid SAPS, two way catalyst compatible.
C3-04 Petrol and light duty Diesel engines, based on A5/B5-04 mid SAPS, two way catalyst compatible, Higher performance levels due to higher HTHS.
Not all my own work here by any means but I get asked these questions at work often and this is what we look at.
Steve (living up to my forum name today!)
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28th Mar 2013 10:39 am |
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kvfive
Member Since: 20 Feb 2013
Location: Beds
Posts: 22
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Wow !! Thank you all for your replies,
Very much appreciated
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28th Mar 2013 1:34 pm |
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Bushwanderer
Member Since: 27 Nov 2007
Location: Northern Rivers, NSW, Australia
Posts: 2050
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Hi Steve (bog),
I remember from decades ago a graph showing the change in viscosity with temperature of "single viscosity" oils with "multi-grade" oils overlaid. I am sure that you have such a graph and would appreciate you sharing it with the forum, showing at least, 5W-30 and 10W-40 oils.
TIA,
Peter The Bearded Dragon
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12th May 2013 7:43 pm |
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01coccobet
Member Since: 23 Feb 2009
Location: on air
Posts: 2624
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Hi all,
what do you think of this oil spec?
Mobil 1â„¢ ESP Formula 5W-30 ACEA C2/C3.
Is this good enough for a D3 2007 Euro 4 no DPF with 126000km?
cheers figuring it out!!!!
the best feeling:getting airborne.
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12th Dec 2013 10:45 am |
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CUCO
Member Since: 27 May 2011
Location: Spain & Oleee!!!
Posts: 609
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You must only look for two things:
Viscosity: 5W30
Manufacturer spec: 913C or 934B.
To see a extensive list of oils and an original Land Rover document, look here:
http://www.discotr.es/viewtopic.php?p=116536#p116536
Look what engine, get you spec, and choose a manufacturer based in price, availability, or whatever you want.
Brand is irrelevant, dont believe in magical molecules that escalate to reach all the moving parts and smile in your engine while travel thorught it fighting wear like John Wayne... ONLY VISCOSITY AND MANUFACTURER SPEC are important. These are the only thing that assures you that the oils fullfills the requirements of your engine.
So, any other spec out of manufacturer preconization is not correct for the aplication (same happens in Automatic Transmission oil)
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12th Dec 2013 11:35 am |
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Advanced Factors
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The ESP C2/C3 is a higher specification, it will be fine. Paul Redding
+44 (0)23 8052 2774
Order Parts Online at www.advancedfactors.co.uk
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12th Dec 2013 11:55 am |
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01coccobet
Member Since: 23 Feb 2009
Location: on air
Posts: 2624
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THANKS figuring it out!!!!
the best feeling:getting airborne.
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12th Dec 2013 12:02 pm |
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Gazellio
Member Since: 09 Jan 2011
Location: Chilterns
Posts: 4130
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Boringoldgit wrote:tackit wrote:Any 5w-30 fully synthetic would probably be fine.
Sort of true but you get what you pay for in life.
There are just a few refineries in the country, a few more blenders and more still companies just bottling.
A 5w30 fully synthetic can be bought for less than £10 for a 4.55ltr and this would be base oil meeting the minimum spec, true your engine would run on it but we in this forum are running engines that can't be replaced for peanuts, stick with the nicer brands!
The specification of 5w30's is mainly around the additive package that goes into the blend, most now are low SAPS (Sulphated Ash Phosporus and Sulphur) this is to help keep the Cat or DPF clean, vehicle manufacturers adjust the specification to add different detergent packages that they think best for their engine.
Most of our handbooks say Castrol 5w30 this is the original fill and therefore the recommended, not essential but try to get to the original specification. For Castrol it would have been Magnatec because that was the oil of the day in 2004, today it is Edge, not recommended just because it didnt exist but it is a newer and superior specification.
Anyway just to bore the socks off you, the 5w30 is suitable for the UK climate but would not necessarily be so for other climates, this bit I have copied from elsewhere explains:
In a 10w-40 for example the 10w bit (W = winter, not weight or watt or anything else for that matter) simply means that the oil must have a certain maximum viscosity/flow at low temperature. The lower the “W†number the better the oils cold temperature/cold start performance.
The 40 in a 10w-40 simply means that the oil must fall within certain viscosity limits at 100 degC. This is a fixed limit and all oils that end in 40 must achieve these limits. Once again the lower the number the thinner the oil, a 30 oil is thinner than a 40 oil at 100 degC etc. Your handbook will specify whether a 30, 40 or 50 etc is required.
ACEA: This is the European equivalent of API (US) and is more specific in what the performance of the oil actually is. A = Petrol, B = Diesel and C = Catalyst compatible or low SAPS (Sulphated Ash, Phosphorus and Sulphur).
Unlike API the ACEA specs are split into performance/application catagories as follows:
A1 Fuel economy petrol
A2 Standard performance level (now obsolete)
A3 High performance and/or extended drain
A4 Reserved for future use in certain direct injection engines
A5 Combines A1 fuel economy with A3 performance
B1 Fuel economy diesel
B2 Standard performance level (now obsolete)
B3 High performance and/or extended drain
B4 For direct injection car diesel engines
B5 Combines B1 fuel economy with B3/B4 performance
C1-04 Petrol and Light duty Diesel engines, based on A5/B5-04 low SAPS, two way catalyst compatible.
C2-04 Petrol and light duty Diesel engines, based on A5/B5-04 mid SAPS, two way catalyst compatible.
C3-04 Petrol and light duty Diesel engines, based on A5/B5-04 mid SAPS, two way catalyst compatible, Higher performance levels due to higher HTHS.
Not all my own work here by any means but I get asked these questions at work often and this is what we look at.
Steve (living up to my forum name today!)
Why no Shell Helix Diesel Ultra AF-L 5W30 in the NO DPF list... ?
http://www.discotr.es/viewtopic.php?p=116536#p116536
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Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
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Only one brand was mentioned in fairness.
But yes I have seen Shell recommended
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