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Plus an idea , wouldn’t it be nice to have an air pollution monitor underneath every camera to see if there’s a change as time passes by
2nd Sep 2023 10:55 am
gstuart
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DSL wrote:
Without waffle this would be a very boring place.
2nd Sep 2023 10:58 am
gstuart
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HWN wrote:
A group of lads round here are off to London on the train this week and will drive back in cars bought from the scrappage scheme. £1,000 a pop for cars that might only be seven years old, and that will sell round here for a tidy profit.
Awesome,
must confess didn’t realise the cars submitted for the scrappage ulez scheme could be bought , assumed they had to be crushed
But at the end of the day that’s a brilliant idea with them not going to waste
2nd Sep 2023 11:04 am
Trailered Movements
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I think you'll find the greatest increase in air quality came when the Boris Buses were introduced, thus getting rid of the old routemasters and similar.
Then the mass introduction of cycle lanes which reduced the availability of road for vehicles, merely caused conjestion which ultimately increased pollution.
In cities around the world, but Europe mostly where I have extensive knowledge, trams are used to a great extent, they are powered by electricity, generally do not suffer from traffic jams, are cheap to use and are reliable.
Until joined up thinking with public consultation and support takes place, our cities will continue to be a nightmare as planning needs to be thought out properly, not just trying to add or adapt what we have in place at the moment.
But obvious immediate gains can be made by keeping what traffic has no other option than to be there, moving as opposed to stopping every few minutes, seems to far fetched for the planners to accept.
Then again, civil servants have form for gross incompetency, more interested in making sure they have a job than doing any good.
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2nd Sep 2023 11:43 am
Brian Considine
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HWN wrote:
A group of lads round here are off to London on the train this week and will drive back in cars bought from the scrappage scheme. £1,000 a pop for cars that might only be seven years old, and that will sell round here for a tidy profit.
I thought that vehicles traded in under the various scrappage schemes had to be actually scrapped or destroyed ?
2nd Sep 2023 12:43 pm
Brian Considine
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gstuart wrote:
robsmith wrote:
A question for Khan, that I doubt he will dare answer,, How much are the replacement cameras and use of camera vans costing per day?
Indeed , maybe someone will do a new FOI request
Did see this the other week , but was from a 2021 FOI request
The supply and installation costs for individual cameras vary because the complexity of the
works to enable their installation depends on whether existing power supplies and street
furniture can be used or whether new provision is required. The majority of camera supply and
installation costs are in the range of £10,000 – £15,000 though occasionally where locations are
constrained the individual site cost can be higher.
I'm sure that buried somewhere in the regulations/specifications for traffic signal installations it states that traffic signals have to be on their own poles & the only other kit that can share the same poles have to be part of the traffic signal installation.
Which then means that the ULEZ camera's & the effected traffic signals are illegal.
You never see traffic signals sharing a pole with street lights or signage.
Eyes out for a "Mr Loophole" to challenge ULEZ/TfL.
2nd Sep 2023 12:51 pm
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Trailered Movements wrote:
In cities around the world, but Europe mostly where I have extensive knowledge, trams are used to a great extent, they are powered by electricity, generally do not suffer from traffic jams, are cheap to use and are reliable.
Sadly, public transport is frowned upon in the UK. A decent public transport system would solve a number of issues - pollution, congestion, noise, etc.
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3rd Sep 2023 6:31 am
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Trailered Movements wrote:
I think you'll find the greatest increase in air quality came when the Boris Buses were introduced, thus getting rid of the old routemasters and similar.
Hmmm ...not really, only 1000 were introduced, representing a 10th of the London fleet at a cost of £355k each...twice the price of a normal double-decker. Even then, they were Diesel hybrid...only now are they being converted to electric. Much cheaper electric buses were available, this was a total vanity project by the proven liar.21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
3rd Sep 2023 7:37 am
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A diesel hybrid bus uses just about the same amount of fuel as a normal diesel, give or take 5 litres a day.
Both are euro 6, hybrids simply put, were a waste of time. It is all meant to go full electric by 2030. So i guess TFL will be pushing hard for the pay per mile to fund that. The infrastructure to go full electric is no where near ready, and will cost billions.
As the scrappage scheme is now open to all, and not just the dole dossers, i have applied to scrap my diesel d3, I'm going to strip it of anything i need for the v8 petrol I'm replacing it with. The terms of the scrappage scheme is that i get a certificate of destruction from a car dismantler, in my eyes that means the vehicle should be sold as parts or crushed....
3rd Sep 2023 9:55 am
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If you strip it if everything not needed to run then it will deffo be parts or crush. Not much call for single seat D3.
3rd Sep 2023 10:00 am
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gstuart wrote:
Think I’ve understood this, ulez has been introduced for 80,000 vehicles , so assume he must have a cut off point from the ulez to the pay per mile
Therefore, the non compliant 10% are paying (rounded up) £1,000,000 a day in the 'penalty charge'. And the air cleanliness improves by exactly how much by taking all those £12.50's
3rd Sep 2023 11:45 am
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Sole traders and self employed will be able to claim tax relief on ULEZ charges when they submit annual tax returns for business related journeys
HMRC has confirmed that workers with non-compliant vehicles will be able to claim if their journey was made ‘exclusively for the purposes of trade’. This does not include travel to work or commuting costs.
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The increase of London’s Ultra Low Emissions Zone (ULEZ) to cover the whole of the outer London area generated an extra £23.6m in revenue between its launch on August 29 and September 30. That’s according to BBC analysis of the latest data released by Transport for London (TfL).
In the first month of the expanded ULEZ operation, just over 57,000 drivers paid the £12.50 daily charge levied for entering the newly controlled areas in vehicles that were not ULEZ compliant. That broadly means diesel cars built before around 2016 and petrol cars built before around 2006 - although there are exceptions to this.
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With that revenue stream, expected other councils to accelerate their plans...... D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
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31st Oct 2023 7:53 pm
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gstuart wrote:
In the first month of the expanded ULEZ operation, just over 57,000 drivers paid the £12.50 daily charge levied for entering the newly controlled areas in vehicles that were not ULEZ compliant.
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to fund that. The infrastructure to go full electric is no where near ready, and will cost billions.
With that revenue stream, expected other councils to accelerate their plans...... 
