Member Since: 21 Jan 2014
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 7
Suspect engine failure
First off apologies to all the contributors on this site I have been a user for quite a while now and not introduced myself or posted, (due to the fact we are in Norfolk and only had 256k download speed, so No u tube, catch up tv, net flix etc but more importantly it would take three or four minutes, just to open the forum let alone trying to search or upload/download anything, Yet all my complaints to bt went to a call center in the middle of India where they all had high speed Broadband and failed to see why i did not)
Any way now we have new phone lines and an extortionate bt option for high speed broadband up to 50 meg, guaranteed 19 minimum we have 9 meg,!! but at last i can use the interweb.
So my 55 plate silver HSE D3, 149k possibly the most comfortable landrover i have ever owned has had its issues in the last three years, I bought it with no history it was on a private plate, and was not even on the Landrover system, LR chap said it was probably a celebrity's or (important persons car) hence no records? he did do a check.
Well it is an important persons car now(IMHO)its mine!
I have replaced all the suspension bushes, Belts and pulleys, brake disks, and pads,Battery, Front hub,headlight unit, front door catch, but in reality it has been reliable no major issues, until yesterday!
Going to the once a year craft fair SWMBO insists on going to (small price to pay for all my landrover time), and yep in the middle of nowhere 20 miles from home a strange noise like a belt slapping around the engine almost a chuffing noise,so pulled over and poped the bonnet, a real noticeable knocking strange noise, so turned it off,
Checked every thing i could think off,nothing obvious,so plugged in the nano com obd11 and no fault codes,tried to start it and it was like the engine had seized,the battery died so did all the electricals,and would not turn over, so turned it off, tried it again and it turned over twice and stopped again, so Called AA man.
He turned up I told him it seemed terminal,but he wanted me to try it, It did turn over but made a real bad mechanical banging noise and would not start, he reckoned the crank had snapped,so we waited 3 hours for a tow truck.
Once home had to move it into garden tried to start it and it fired up but with a mechanical knocking noise, and drove it into the garage, i have pulled the front off and the belts and pulleys are fine, so now i am thinking it may be the crank? Every system had lost coms i assume when the starter pulled all that current so i reset everything,Still no fault code come up.
After checking hours worth of posts and you tube for D3 engine noise,s it sounds like the ones that have shells/crank gone, so now i am assuming the worse
So my question is are the engines still like unicorns impossible to find and worth a fortune, it is probably only worth 5-6k in running order, so dont really want to spend a fortune on it, but then dont want to loose it, or could it be something else,
And the worse thing of all i may have to resort to a toymotor auris for work tomorrow because my 90 has no MOT, Damn! Damn! Damn!
Thanks for reading my drivels and any constructive advice greatly received oh the joy of the D3.
Thanks
Adrian
20th Aug 2017 1:46 pm
Ja92mie
Member Since: 16 Sep 2014
Location: Newquay
Posts: 1259
Sorry to hear your trouble! I think I've read on here a new engine is around 5k alone!
20th Aug 2017 1:56 pm
adran 33
Member Since: 21 Jan 2014
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 7
Thanks ja92mie
Maybe if I spent 5k the car would be worth 10 (I don't think so)
If I don't laugh about it
20th Aug 2017 2:02 pm
Ja92mie
Member Since: 16 Sep 2014
Location: Newquay
Posts: 1259
If you decide against a new engine, you will certainly get a few quid for it in parts.
Good luck! Keep us posted!
20th Aug 2017 2:04 pm
Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
Posts: 10673
Hopefully someone more in the know will be along, but what I would recommend is :
1. Inspect around the bottom half of the engine to ensure no holes.
I guess there would be an oil leak if there were.
2. You could pull the bottom half of the engine off for inspection to see if crank (there are cranks on ebay, search for TDV6 crank) or shells
To do this you:
Remove all of the plastic fan surround
Drain oil
Remove lower sump. (gaskets are reusable apparently) (Inspect to see if any metal in there)
Remove oil pick up pipe.
Apply WD40 to exposed threads
Disconnect battery and unbolt starter. (no need to remove off car for now)
Remove dip stick and pull the dip stick tube up a coupe of inches (best not to remove completely from car as pain to re thread it in)
Unbolt turbo oil drain pipe. (I think this can be done with the front prop in situ???)
Apply WD40 to exposed threads
Unbolt the aux belt tensioner bracket
Undo the many bolts holding the "top sump" on. 8mm and 13? Careful not to break um.
Sump should now be loose and starter should be loose
Drain the pas fluid from the tiny silver PAS pipes on drivers side. And leave them loose.
You should now be able to giggle the sump out the front of the car and up by the rad.
You may need to rotate the crank slightly to make room
You should now be able to inspect things among the black mess.
20th Aug 2017 2:14 pm
adran 33
Member Since: 21 Jan 2014
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 7
Thanks Pete appreciate the advice.
20th Aug 2017 3:14 pm
M3DPO
Member Since: 22 Sep 2010
Location: Notts.
Posts: 8221
Commiserations, it's getting ridiculous the number of engines reported failing, even newish ones, take the oil filter off first and check for debris, it may just be a snapped timing chain inside top offside rocker cover, still a disasters though and a major job.It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
20th Aug 2017 3:33 pm
ds23man
Member Since: 19 Jan 2013
Location: Ainum
Posts: 227
First try to rotatate the engine with the crankshaft pulley bolt. Probably it is seized ( broken crankshaft). Been there, done that.
20th Aug 2017 3:39 pm
Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
Posts: 10673
It's interesting that he drove it into the garage, just with a "knocking noise"
20th Aug 2017 3:41 pm
Dave T
Member Since: 03 Jul 2009
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 6910
If you have the facilities then jag engines can be found and used with a few alterations,Joined the BMWX5 45e group
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20th Aug 2017 3:54 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
Member Since: 11 May 2006
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a strange noise like a belt slapping around the engine almost a chuffing noise,so pulled over and poped the bonnet
Sounds just like mine, at first I thought it was a loose piece of trim and got off the road quickly
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