Member Since: 22 Jun 2011
Location: southampton
Posts: 2521
no one can deny the D5 was and still is the ugly duckiling of the range and needs to get back closer to the older D3/4 in styling ...which is the reason the defender sold so well disco market niche will be pimped 5+2 defender ..........with a square rear numberplate !!!!MY05 SE D3 Manual my first LR what a car
MY10 HSE D4 auto
MY14 XXV more buttons than the spaceshuttle
22nd Aug 2024 2:01 pm
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23822
Here are the Land Rover sales figures by model for 2023:
•Defender: 110,367 vehicles sold globally, making it the most popular model
•Range Rover: 66,956 vehicles sold globally
•Range Rover Sport: 58,067 vehicles sold globally
•Range Rover Evoque: 47,222 vehicles sold globally
•Discovery Sport: 30,422 vehicles sold globally
•Range Rover Velar: 26,559 vehicles sold globally
•Discovery 5: 16,750 vehicles sold globally
Which again begs the question- What will LR do to the next Discovery to increase its sales figures?2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
22nd Aug 2024 2:11 pm
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13541
D5's problems were nicely highlighted when the chief designer started blaming dealers for putting the wrong shape of numberplate on the back.
Note that it's not that the whole design is just wrong to many eyes (and, yes, there are people who like it), it's the dealer fitting the wrong number plate.
I'd love to know why so many people are buying Defender rather than Discovery - Shape/design? Size? Capability? I'd be happy to donate a fiver to a chosen charity in a bet that the D6 will be just a rehash of D5 (just as D4 followed D3), and that it'll sell about as well as D5.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
22nd Aug 2024 2:22 pm
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13541
2 years ago, the CEO of JLR was saying that they're looking to make the Disco in to a family car (whatever that means):
Quote:
"We are completely reinventing Discovery. We believe there is a space for it, but we have to be creative." The head honcho went on to admit the Defender has cannibalised sales of the Discovery but argues turning the latter into a "real family car for the most discerning families" will justify its existence in the lineup. Bolloré mentions there needs to be an authentic family car in the luxury segment, although he didn't go into any specifics about what that actually means.
Whether that's still the thinking, I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Looking at the "family car" idea, that would seem to be what the Velar is - it's a big, 4wd, comfy, luxurious estate car.
One thought comes to mind - might LR go back to its earlier line up - Range Rover and Defender but with each being a family of models. Discovery was, after all, invented as a way to get in to family SUV market. These days, that requirement is filled by the Range Rover and Defender families. Discovery doesn't fit in without stepping on one or other range's toes(*). Betwixt and between. Which is a shame because the Disco was a great vehicle in its own right for so many years.
(* one might suggest the RRS is now doing this with it being ever more like a slightly cheaper, lower spec, FFRR rather than an obviously different model in former years.)Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
22nd Aug 2024 2:37 pm
MrTed
Member Since: 06 Jan 2023
Location: Rickmansworth
Posts: 189
Well when it comes to replacing my D4 in a few years we'll see what the D6 will be like but I must say I will be sitting in one of these first to see if I fancy a change...
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Discovery 4 HSE late 2015 Euro6
Jaguar XF Portfolio (PX'd for above)
Mitsubishi Galant V6 (PX'd for above)
Instagram: @mrtedgfx
22nd Aug 2024 2:45 pm
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14382
I've got a deposit down on a Land Cruiser but I'm put off by the four pot motor.New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
22nd Aug 2024 8:00 pm
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13541
Yes, the 4-pot seems like a case of "we don't think we'll sell many in the UK so keep the old motor for them".Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
22nd Aug 2024 11:03 pm
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23822
2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
27th Aug 2024 8:32 am
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14382
Simple solution. Keep the D4 body, fit the 3.0 Ingenium engines and software with a new interior. Job done. New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
27th Aug 2024 8:54 am
MrTed
Member Since: 06 Jan 2023
Location: Rickmansworth
Posts: 189
Bosh! Moo has nailed it. Discovery 4 HSE late 2015 Euro6
Jaguar XF Portfolio (PX'd for above)
Mitsubishi Galant V6 (PX'd for above)
Instagram: @mrtedgfx
27th Aug 2024 9:02 am
ronp
Member Since: 29 Nov 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 15263
Reading between the lines, looks like they’ll possibly move the Discovery more into the MPV category.
“Defender came in and sat quite squarely on top of Discovery and cannibalised a lot of that business.”
“JLR will attempt to set Discovery apart by moving it into a new space”
“will focus efforts on more clearly defining the Discovery’s positioning around its ‘family adventures’ values”
Autocar understands, possibly by adopting some MPV design elements....... always on the road less travelled 🚧
27th Aug 2024 9:12 am
MrTed
Member Since: 06 Jan 2023
Location: Rickmansworth
Posts: 189
I wonder if the execs at JLR actually read online blogs to address client feedback/ideas or just give zero f s, and are now purely governed by dividend returns and perceived IP status?
I mean, a D-MPV, really? Discovery 4 HSE late 2015 Euro6
Jaguar XF Portfolio (PX'd for above)
Mitsubishi Galant V6 (PX'd for above)
Instagram: @mrtedgfx
27th Aug 2024 10:01 am
kajtzu
Member Since: 10 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 6748
I doubt they have anyone in the house a la Steve Jobs who would insist on perfection and understand what the customers really want. It ain’t what they’re doing now.
I mean, c’mon.
27th Aug 2024 5:12 pm
nigethecat
Member Since: 11 Sep 2016
Location: Marnoch
Posts: 4244
MrTed wrote:
Well when it comes to replacing my D4 in a few years we'll see what the D6 will be like but I must say I will be sitting in one of these first to see if I fancy a change...
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Is it just me or does this look like it's built out of Lego ?I want to see the sweets before I get into your windowless van... I'm not stupid!
Corris Grey D4 Commercial SE 2016
Zermatt Sliver 2007 D3 SE manual (gone)
Indus Silver D4 HSE 2015 (gone)
Bonatti Grey D3 HSE 2006 (gone)
White D3 S (LHD) 2007 (gone)
Firenze Red D4 HSE 2014 (gone)
Black RRS 3.6TDV8 2008 (gone)
Rusty Green Defender 110 1997 (gone)
Black FL2 HSE 2013 (gone)
27th Aug 2024 5:40 pm
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13541
Moo wrote:
Simple solution. Keep the D4 body, fit the 3.0 Ingenium engines and software with a new interior. Job done.
Perfect. Except it doesn't meet the Design Midget's "everything must be a worn lump of soap" look. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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s, and are now purely governed by dividend returns and perceived IP status?
