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21st Aug 2024 9:17 pm
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14383
Looks bloody awful!
LR need to keep it simple and just look at what made the D3/4 a success. If Mercedes can do it with the G-Wagon then LR can do it with the Discovery. The fact that the D5 was a disappointment should give them a clue about what to do.New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
21st Aug 2024 9:37 pm
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23822
I would anticipate prices starting around the £60k mark, but who knows.
The D2,D3 and D4 fitted in nicely between the then “Classic Defender” and the FFRR. Since the arrival of the “New Defender” the Discovery has rather lost its way. I see very few new ones on the road now, but I haven’t seen recent sales figures.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
21st Aug 2024 9:43 pm
gstuart
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: kent
Posts: 14120
Indeed, but alas they will still ruin it
Would be brilliant if they done another similar shaped D3/4 , plus I wonder what the price tag will be ??
21st Aug 2024 9:45 pm
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14383
LT wrote:
I would anticipate prices starting around the £60k mark, but who knows.
The D2,D3 and D4 fitted in nicely between the then “Classic Defender” and the FFRR. Since the arrival of the “New Defender” the Discovery has rather lost its way. I see very few new ones on the road now, but I haven’t seen recent sales figures.
Yep. I briefly debated swapping my Defender for a D5 but the deal was shocking and my family were REALLY against it!New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
21st Aug 2024 9:49 pm
gstuart
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: kent
Posts: 14120
Also read that there’s problems with the 2.0 petrol ingenium engine in the D5 that puts people off , along with of course the 3.0 SDV6
Assume the petrol 3.0 Ingenium is a lot better or is that known as the 3.0-litre Si6 petrol plse
Must confess really like the new defender over a D5
21st Aug 2024 10:24 pm
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13541
LT wrote:
I would anticipate prices starting around the £60k mark, but who knows.
The D2,D3 and D4 fitted in nicely between the then “Classic Defender” and the FFRR. Since the arrival of the “New Defender” the Discovery has rather lost its way. I see very few new ones on the road now, but I haven’t seen recent sales figures.
Chap I know has a couple of 130, a.k.a. the long-arsed 110. Enough room in the rear row of seats for my 6'1" frame although I wouldn't want to go a long way as the lack of under leg support is chronic. But then it is a fold-away 3rd row rather proper seats. The rest of it is the same as the 110 but at least there is a little bit of space behind the 3rd row when they're up. When folded, the load bay is big.
I'd certainly pick the new Defender over the D5 any day of the week.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
21st Aug 2024 10:36 pm
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14383
Whichever way you cut it, the Defender isn't a Discovery replacement.New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
21st Aug 2024 10:42 pm
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13541
Agreed. But then neither is the D5. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
22nd Aug 2024 8:10 am
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23822
The only reasons to buy a D5, that I can see, would be that you prefer the styling, don’t want to spend as much as a FFRR costs or want a split tailgate. The latter being perhaps the most relevant. The boot size and rear door being my main bugbear with the ‘new’ Defender.
The current FFRR can be had with 7 seats, but on a similar spec. basis is a sizeable chunk more money than a comparable Defender or D5.
There’s just so much crossover with spec., seating capacity and pricing with the current Defender and Discovery, that other than the tailgate, it’s hard to see the reasons for continuing to produce a Discovery.
It will be interesting to see how LR will differentiate the D6 from the Defender.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
22nd Aug 2024 9:53 am
JordsDisco
Member Since: 22 May 2020
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 1614
It’s all down to personal taste.
22nd Aug 2024 11:25 am
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23822
From a buyers perspective yes, but LR need to financially justify a new model.
Whilst I’ve not checked the sales figures, I’d guess that the Defender outsells the D5 by a considerable margin.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
22nd Aug 2024 12:45 pm
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13541
According to this site: https://www.best-selling-cars.com/brands/2...-by-model/ the Defender sold over 6.5 times as many as the D5 in 2023 worldwide. The DS sells twice as many as the D5. The D5 is, by far, LR's worst seller. The Velar doesn't do brilliantly either, being another one of those "what's it for?" models.
What's amazing is how many FFRR they sold. I guess it shows that there are a lot of rich people around the world.
When I think about what I see driving around, I see a lot more New Defenders than I do D5. And that's in an area centred around Oxford that spans from Cirencester to Milton Keynes, Newbury to Banbury. The sort of rural/semi-rural environment to which you'd think the D5 would be ideally suited.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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Looks bloody awful!
