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BLFarrar
Member Since: 02 Aug 2006
Location: Deepest, Dankest, Darkest, Dingiest......Le Halifax, West Yorkshire...with strong links to Ireland
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Gareth wrote:BLFarrar wrote:Robbie wrote:Oil level sensor may be on the blink....
engines will & have to use a "bit" of oil...perfectly normal...not a high tech situation...old tech & quite usual...
this just goes to prove a point...
"Oil level sensor on the blink"...sorry to have to quote you (again) Robbie
1) so it says you need more oil...false low level.....you do the obvious thing & add more....too much oil is not good for an engine...engine damage...big costs
2) so it doesn't say you need more oil....false OK level...you do the obvious thing & thinking its OK dont add more oil.....too little oil definitely not good for an engine ....engine damage....big costs
3) one possible good point it does tell you if you have too much.... that is if ..(the big if) the sensor is operational & reporting properly...RISK
remember.....the system just isn't capable of giving you a fast check...unless the engine is cold or left for a period......that period is indeterminate...& when it does can't be trusted..if we now have the notion its system that can fail or tell lies...with a 50k vehicle the opposite to common sense
so how do you check the checking system ?
you have a variety of options:
A) do nothing & hope for the best........you may get the worst...engine damage
B) do what your instincts tell you to do...add oil...maybe the wrong thing ...engine damage
C) take it to the garage...which in itself could incur engine damage on its way there.....for the dealer if so equipped can check the system...he couples the vehicle to to the Computer & this fundamentally uses the same sensor - gives some sort of report...whatever happens after that has the propensity for engine damage...
so accepting the fact
D) the makers may have installed the wrong dipstick possible ?....likely ?.....either way easy to check & doesn't need a dealer computer ....common sense
or
E) the dipstick fails (breaks)...which is sort of obvious as part of it may have detached & is laying in the engine sump doing no harm..you have checked the checking system....either way easy to check & doesn't need a dealer computer....common sense at its best
I pray for the day that common sense eventually prevails & the simple dipstick is available as an extra or a realistic or no cost option...a fundamental instrument ...no moving parts...no calibration...K.I.S.S. (keep it stupidly simple) technology as opposed to complex technology that can't be relied on to fail safe...
Often we see it as a joke or silly when we look at 3rd world instances of a simple fix or system...
here we have accepted a fix to something that isn't & wasn't broken...what a load of ballocks
What your trying to say Bruce, is Bring back the dipstick
Errr..YES PLEASE BREXIT - done properly.
Right now ...We need Government - not Politics
Save the Dipstick Flagbearer-keep it simple, less likely to fail campaign-agenda items:Starting Handles, Acetylene Lamps.
Founder: Dipsticks-R-Us Inc
D3 HSE-perfectly formed, passenger friendly...has real DIPSTICK
Jag XK-but sadly no DIPSTICK...HUGE design fault
FL2 has DIPSTICK..."real comfort in rear seats"
VW Golf wondermobile (?)..has real DIPSTICK
Morris Minor..original DIPSTICK technology..and a real KEY.
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28th Oct 2013 10:04 pm |
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lespes
Member Since: 17 Sep 2009
Location: Sitting Down
Posts: 2232
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Quote:TBH a little bit of consumption is normal in my opinion. Especially on a new engine. Its just the complexity of the measurement, and the obscurity of the oil that bothers me.
Perhaps the middle of Wales is not the best place to do an oil check D4 Landmark MY16 Santorini Black THE LAST
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28th Oct 2013 10:19 pm |
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BLFarrar
Member Since: 02 Aug 2006
Location: Deepest, Dankest, Darkest, Dingiest......Le Halifax, West Yorkshire...with strong links to Ireland
Posts: 6222
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....gravity could be sort of different in Wales
or digital electronics works a different way there...
one thing is for sure...old vehicles with this automation are going to be a problem
my XK has this & its a pain in the BREXIT - done properly.
Right now ...We need Government - not Politics
Save the Dipstick Flagbearer-keep it simple, less likely to fail campaign-agenda items:Starting Handles, Acetylene Lamps.
Founder: Dipsticks-R-Us Inc
D3 HSE-perfectly formed, passenger friendly...has real DIPSTICK
Jag XK-but sadly no DIPSTICK...HUGE design fault
FL2 has DIPSTICK..."real comfort in rear seats"
VW Golf wondermobile (?)..has real DIPSTICK
Morris Minor..original DIPSTICK technology..and a real KEY.
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28th Oct 2013 10:34 pm |
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discocuzzy
Member Since: 02 Feb 2008
Location: surrey
Posts: 2752
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Your old one uses no oil Gareth and It has a dipstick "you cannot teach stupid people to do clever things"
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28th Oct 2013 11:51 pm |
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NoDo$h
Member Since: 02 May 2006
Location: Finding new and exciting ways to milk badgers.
Posts: 19689
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Noooo, that would be an open goal...... I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
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28th Oct 2013 11:59 pm |
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BLFarrar
Member Since: 02 Aug 2006
Location: Deepest, Dankest, Darkest, Dingiest......Le Halifax, West Yorkshire...with strong links to Ireland
Posts: 6222
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Gareth wrote:TBH a little bit of consumption is normal in my opinion. Especially on a new engine. Its just the complexity of the measurement, and the obscurity of the oil that bothers me.
all depends on these variables (not a conclusive list)...that make comparisons "difficult"
A) the mechanical state of the engine..from new with known tolerances to where it is now....variable that cant be altred easily
B) The way its used....driving styles...loads...speeds....depends on a lot includinf the mood of the driver...Mr Frugal...or.....Fangio Fittipaldi....
C) the journies actually taken...long short whatever...hard to alter as you go where you have to go...
D) the way the vehicle is maintained...proper care or bargain basement tactics...this you can choose
E) the weather...considerjng barometric pressures..winter has to be different to a boiling hot summers day....which equates to where the vehicle is actually used....
F) Anything else extra to above & that either can be altered (by user) or cannot be altered (fact of life)
so even cars of the same type, age & condition can & will (or maybe should) give different results.... BREXIT - done properly.
Right now ...We need Government - not Politics
Save the Dipstick Flagbearer-keep it simple, less likely to fail campaign-agenda items:Starting Handles, Acetylene Lamps.
Founder: Dipsticks-R-Us Inc
D3 HSE-perfectly formed, passenger friendly...has real DIPSTICK
Jag XK-but sadly no DIPSTICK...HUGE design fault
FL2 has DIPSTICK..."real comfort in rear seats"
VW Golf wondermobile (?)..has real DIPSTICK
Morris Minor..original DIPSTICK technology..and a real KEY.
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29th Oct 2013 9:02 am |
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