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These updates looks very promising. Will the 2.19 firmware include forced DPF regeneration service procedure for an 08MY Discovery 3?
29th Dec 2013 12:19 am
den2013
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"These updates looks very promising. Will the 2.19 firmware include forced DPF regeneration service procedure for an 08MY Discovery 3?"
Very interesting question from Kaarejohan, i have had a few issues with my DPF, tried what others have said on the forum running for 20 mins down the motorway up to 3 times,but found this sometimes works and sometimes does not.
The thing is how can the firmware force a regeneration if this is in the exhaust system as it needs exhaust pressure and heat to burn it off 2015 D4 HSE LUX Kaikoura Stone(sold)
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29th Dec 2013 6:22 am
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You still have to drive the car as directed when you put it into forced-regeneration mode.
From the D3 manual, but the D4 is similar:
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Passive Regeneration
Passive regeneration requires no special engine management intervention and occurs during normal engine operation. The passive regeneration involves a slow conversion of the particulate matter deposited in the DPF into carbon dioxide. This process is active when the DPF temperature reaches 250°C (482°F) and is a continuous process when the vehicle is being driven at higher engine loads and speeds.
During passive regeneration, only a portion of the particulate matter is converted into carbon dioxide. This is due to the chemical reaction process which is only effective within the normal operating temperature range of 250°C to 500°C (482°F to 932°F).
Above this temperature range the conversion efficiency of the particulates into carbon dioxide increases as the DPF temperature is raised. These temperatures can only be achieved using the active regeneration process.
Active Regeneration
Active regeneration starts when the particulate loading of the DPF reaches a threshold as monitored or determined by the DPF control software. The threshold calculation is based on driving style, distance travelled and back pressure signals from the differential pressure sensor.
Active regeneration generally occurs every 450 miles (725 km) although this is highly dependant on how the vehicle is driven. For example, if the vehicle is driven at low loads in urban traffic regularly, active regeneration will occur more often. This is due to the rapid build-up of particulates in the DPF than if the vehicle is driven at high speeds when passive regeneration will have occurred.
The DPF software incorporates a mileage trigger which is used as back-up for active regeneration. If active regeneration has not been initiated by a back pressure signal from the differential pressure sensor, regeneration is requested based on distance travelled.
Active regeneration of the DPF is commenced when the temperature of the DPF is increased to the combustion temperature of the particles. The DPF temperature is raised by increasing the exhaust gas temperature. This is achieved by introducing post-injection of fuel after the pilot and main fuel injections have occurred.
This is determined by the DPF software monitoring the signals from the two DPF temperature sensors to establish the temperature of the DPF. Depending on the DPF temperature, the DPF software requests the ECM to perform either one or two post-injections of fuel:
The first post-injection of fuel retards combustion inside the cylinder which increases the temperature of the exhaust gas.
The second post-injection of fuel is injected late in the power stroke cycle. The fuel partly combusts in the cylinder, but some unburnt fuel also passes into the exhaust where it creates an exothermic event within the catalytic converter, further increasing the temperature of the DPF.
The active regeneration process takes approximately 20 minutes to complete. The first phase increases the DPF temperature to 500°C (932°F). The second phase further increases the DPF temperature to 600°C (1112°F) which is the optimum temperature for particle combustion. This temperature is then maintained for 15-20 minutes to ensure complete incineration of the particles within the DPF. The incineration process converts the carbon particles to carbon dioxide and water.
The active regeneration temperature of the DPF is closely monitored by the DPF software to maintain a target temperature of 600°C (1112°F) at the DPF inlet. The temperature control ensures that the temperatures do not exceed the operational limits of the turbocharger and the catalytic converter. The turbocharger inlet temperature must not exceed 830°C (1526°F) and the catalytic converter brick temperature must not exceed 800°C (1472°F) and the exit temperature must remain below 750°C (1382°F).
During the active regeneration process the following ECM controlled events occur:
The turbocharger is maintained in the fully open position. This minimizes heat transmission from the exhaust gas to the turbocharger and reduces the rate of exhaust gas flow allowing optimum heating of the DPF. If the driver demands an increase in engine torque, the turbocharger will respond by closing the vanes as necessary.
The throttle is closed as this assists in increasing the exhaust gas temperature and reduces the rate of exhaust gas flow which has the effect of reducing the time for the DPF to reach the optimum temperature.
The Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) valve is closed. The use of EGR decreases the exhaust gas temperature and therefore prevents the optimum DPF temperature being achieved.
If, due to vehicle usage and/or driving style, the active regeneration process cannot take place or is unable to regenerate the DPF, the dealer can force regenerate the DPF. This is achieved by either driving the vehicle until the engine is at its normal operating temperature and then driving for a further 20 minutes at speeds of not less than 30 mph (48 km/h) or by connecting a Land Rover approved diagnostic system to the vehicle which will guide the technician through an automated regeneration procedure to clean the DPF.
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Cheers Robbie, much appreciated, after reading that it makes sense and i can see how it can be incorporated into the update if GAP are willing to do so.
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29th Dec 2013 11:30 am
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I have requested this feature from Gap earlier, and they had already planned this for a future firmware. I hope this is available in the 2.19 firmware available from early 2014.
29th Dec 2013 3:13 pm
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If all goes as planned, it will be in 2.19.
Happy New Year from all of us at GAP Diagnostic to everyone here - and a big cheer to everyone at BBS, especially. Here's to a good continued competitive spirit in 2014 - for the benefit of all. 8)
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Hi guys,
A happy new year to you all and thanks for that Steve, very nice of you.
To reciprocate I must say the new app/interface looks very cool indeed. Wish you and all the GAP team all the best for 2014 and as you say, competition breeds creativity, for the benefit of all.
Kind Regards
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3rd Jan 2014 10:50 am
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Its so nice to see two competitors that are nice to each other, there is enough room in this world for people not to be bitchy towards each other.
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3rd Jan 2014 11:54 am
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Just a quick note on Android bluetooth for the IIDTool BT: the Motorola Droid Maxx (Verizon US only) has been confirmed as working - this should be the same as the Razr Maxx in the UK/RoW. This also means that the Razr Ultra and Mini should work as well. All need to be running Android 4.3> tho.
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Now, being a Windows Phone fan and developer, begs the obvious question... any plans for a Windows Phone app? (or Windows RT for the Surface tablet) Dennis
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16th Jan 2014 9:56 am
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Been very quiet on the forum recently. Does that mean what I think it means? My D3 Build Thread
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nighthawk wrote:
Now, being a Windows Phone fan and developer, begs the obvious question... any plans for a Windows Phone app? (or Windows RT for the Surface tablet)
To be completely honest, Dennis, no. The market is simply too small. That said, we will def take the time to look at what porting the app to Win RT will take. If it is easily doable...
Is there an upgrade from the standard IIDTool to the Bluetooth one?____
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21st Jan 2014 9:55 am
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Good question It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
21st Jan 2014 11:08 am
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We will help those willing to upgrade. Pls send a mail to support@ gap - diagnostic dotcom.
You will need new units, tho, as the hardware is different. www.gap-diagnostic.com
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