Member Since: 01 Dec 2010
Location: Here!
Posts: 368
My towbar has been given the okay so I fitted it and then discovered that if I shake the vehicle it moves quite a bit (the vehicle that is). Clearly my D3 should be much more secure with the towbar fitted so I've concluded it is not fit for purpose and should under no circumstances be used for towing! I will book mine in for inspection and insist on a new replacement. Colour is not important. A used D4 is acceptable. Get out of this one LR!!
20th Jan 2015 6:58 pm
cumbrianmale
Member Since: 29 Dec 2014
Location: Earth
Posts: 40
What LR really need to do is define the max. nose weight and towing limit with the detachable towbar.
If it is to be only for occasional use what is occasional? Once a week once a month?
To my mind the detachable towbar should be able to be used as much as required up to the defined limit. I have had many other vehicles with detachable towbars and none have had limitations to the frequency of use. I got rid of my big old Volvo as it was expensive to run and bought a smaller new Volvo V40 for everyday use and got the D3 for towing the caravan. If I'm now to be told the detachable towbar isn't up to the job I won't be happy.
I shall be following developments with interest.
20th Jan 2015 9:57 pm
Wolfpack
Member Since: 28 Jul 2014
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 121
Like I just said, they defined the noseweight limit when I asked them......150kg.
So the 100kg caravan hitch limit is well within that.
They also define regular use as more than once a week.
20th Jan 2015 10:30 pm
nigel207
Member Since: 26 Mar 2009
Location: Nottinghamshire
Posts: 1359
cumbrianmale wrote:
What LR really need to do is define the max. nose weight and towing limit with the detachable towbar.
If it is to be only for occasional use what is occasional? Once a week once a month?
To my mind the detachable towbar should be able to be used as much as required up to the defined limit. I have had many other vehicles with detachable towbars and none have had limitations to the frequency of use. I got rid of my big old Volvo as it was expensive to run and bought a smaller new Volvo V40 for everyday use and got the D3 for towing the caravan. If I'm now to be told the detachable towbar isn't up to the job I won't be happy.
I shall be following developments with interest.
When I raised concerns with Pete@LR last year about a "rattling" towbar, (which was a fault with the towbar's locking mechanism on that specific one), I was told that there was absolutely no problem using the detachable towbar for caravan duties. The issue had mainly arisen when the detachable towbar was left in place and used for towing heavy loads (up to the 3,500 kg limit) most days of the week.
Now, whilst there must be a cross-over point between regular/heavy and light/occasional use, I would suggest that towing up to a couple of tonnes of caravan twenty times a year would be pretty occasional.
21st Jan 2015 8:49 am
fisherman
Member Since: 16 Jan 2007
Location: Hornchurch Essex
Posts: 1789
I've just dropped my D4 in at Stratstone in Hainault for the tow bar to be checked as well as look at a piece of trim below the Sat Nav and water coming in down the A pillar and interior light.
The trim they asked how long I'd had the car and when I said 4 months they said they wouldn't touch it as I didn't know it's history and anyone could have caused damage to it.
The tow bar they said the service action had been pulled so they wouldn't do anything until LR reinstated the service action. I asked them to check it to make sure it was safe and they said no. I asked from an engineering point of view, nothing to do with the service action and they still said they wouldn't touch it. So I asked where does that leave me? The service manager shrugged his shoulders. So where does that leave me? I can't even get them to check it so don't know if mines safe or not. I suggested I just carry on using it and he said "I assume so".
They will rod out the sunroof drain though. f ing to ers!
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They also define regular use as more than once a week.
Misuse of the words "regular" and "frequent" drives me mad sometimes. They don't mean regular at all; they mean frequent. If you towed once a year it could still be regular. Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
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21st Jan 2015 11:02 am
Wolfpack
Member Since: 28 Jul 2014
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 121
fisherman wrote:
I've just dropped my D4 in at Stratstone in Hainault for the tow bar to be checked as well as look at a piece of trim below the Sat Nav and water coming in down the A pillar and interior light.
The trim they asked how long I'd had the car and when I said 4 months they said they wouldn't touch it as I didn't know it's history and anyone could have caused damage to it.
The tow bar they said the service action had been pulled so they wouldn't do anything until LR reinstated the service action. I asked them to check it to make sure it was safe and they said no. I asked from an engineering point of view, nothing to do with the service action and they still said they wouldn't touch it. So I asked where does that leave me? The service manager shrugged his shoulders. So where does that leave me? I can't even get them to check it so don't know if mines safe or not. I suggested I just carry on using it and he said "I assume so".
They will rod out the sunroof drain though. f ing to ers!
Any suggestions from you guys as to how I now proceed?
With regard to the 'engineering advice' on the towbar.....
When I spoke to LR customer services they initially said THEY couldn't give technical advice and that had to come from their TRAINED ENGINEERS at Land Rover Dealerships.
But after pointing out that it was a LR responsibility to pass down these instructions to these people (without LR lead these engineers wouldn't be 'trained' on their cars) they eventually sought technical advise from HQ!
Although that advise was guarded it clearly said that their concern was about exceeding the 150kg noseweight limit (many people ignore!) which when COMBINED with heavy trailers and regular use more than once a week, would lead them to recommend using the fixed towbar with its 250kg max noseweight load.
21st Jan 2015 11:18 am
doz
Member Since: 15 Jun 2014
Location: Southampton
Posts: 436
I've had a reply from both the dealer and LR . My hitch passed the test and I have been informed it is still safe to use it if I go by the information in the supplement handbook.
21st Jan 2015 11:26 am
fisherman
Member Since: 16 Jan 2007
Location: Hornchurch Essex
Posts: 1789
Can anyone replicate the supplement on here so we can judge it's ambiguity?FFRR 2017 4.4SDV8 Autobiography. Cost so much I must be mad!
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21st Jan 2015 11:33 am
nigel207
Member Since: 26 Mar 2009
Location: Nottinghamshire
Posts: 1359
Wolfpack wrote:
fisherman wrote:
I've just dropped my D4 in at Stratstone in Hainault for the tow bar to be checked as well as look at a piece of trim below the Sat Nav and water coming in down the A pillar and interior light.
The trim they asked how long I'd had the car and when I said 4 months they said they wouldn't touch it as I didn't know it's history and anyone could have caused damage to it.
The tow bar they said the service action had been pulled so they wouldn't do anything until LR reinstated the service action. I asked them to check it to make sure it was safe and they said no. I asked from an engineering point of view, nothing to do with the service action and they still said they wouldn't touch it. So I asked where does that leave me? The service manager shrugged his shoulders. So where does that leave me? I can't even get them to check it so don't know if mines safe or not. I suggested I just carry on using it and he said "I assume so".
They will rod out the sunroof drain though. f ing to ers!
Any suggestions from you guys as to how I now proceed?
With regard to the 'engineering advice' on the towbar.....
When I spoke to LR customer services they initially said THEY couldn't give technical advice and that had to come from their TRAINED ENGINEERS at Land Rover Dealerships.
But after pointing out that it was a LR responsibility to pass down these instructions to these people (without LR lead these engineers wouldn't be 'trained' on their cars) they eventually sought technical advise from HQ!
Although that advise was guarded it clearly said that their concern was about exceeding the 150kg noseweight limit (many people ignore!) which when COMBINED with heavy trailers and regular use more than once a week, would lead them to recommend using the fixed towbar with its 250kg max noseweight load.
I don't think that I've EVER been to a Dealership where there has been a fully qualified engineer, let alone a trained one! Now, monkeys, yes, there have been quite a number of them!
I'm still awaiting a response from a Dealership near to here on the plastics/rubber qualifications of their Warranty Manageress after LR initially rejected a warranty claim on her expertise! Funny how they changed their tune when my brother-in-law (the non-metallic materials manager at BAe Systems building submarines) became involved. Full credit to LR as they resolved the matter, but if they are qoing to start spouting about qualifications at Dealerships, then those qualifications should be public for all to see!
21st Jan 2015 11:41 am
fisherman
Member Since: 16 Jan 2007
Location: Hornchurch Essex
Posts: 1789
I have since spoken to Pete who says they should have checked it and they could have sent a quality report to LR if they didn't feel up to making a decision.
What I don't understand is this is a multi million pound business who are effectively washing their hands of any involvement regards the safety of my tow bar. Having asked them to look they said they wouldn't through fear of incriminating themselves.
Alarm bells should be ringing in my head shouldn't they?
Pete is coming back to me having asked when I'm next using the car to tow.
I'll keep you posted.FFRR 2017 4.4SDV8 Autobiography. Cost so much I must be mad!
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21st Jan 2015 2:09 pm
fisherman
Member Since: 16 Jan 2007
Location: Hornchurch Essex
Posts: 1789
Just spoken to Stratstone who say they have received an email from Pete and are looking into the tow bar issue.
Nice one Pete.FFRR 2017 4.4SDV8 Autobiography. Cost so much I must be mad!
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21st Jan 2015 2:16 pm
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
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So is this suspended or not? My Father has one on his D3.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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21st Jan 2015 2:25 pm
fisherman
Member Since: 16 Jan 2007
Location: Hornchurch Essex
Posts: 1789
It's suspended. That doesn't mean that if it has a problem it won't be sorted out.
It means they don't have a blanket response for everyone at present. They are still obliged to deal on a one at a time basis.FFRR 2017 4.4SDV8 Autobiography. Cost so much I must be mad!
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