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Good point re the weight, me and my dogs sat on the back are not far off 300 KG MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
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8th Sep 2016 7:53 am
J77
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artschool wrote:
what happens if i want to use the activity platform whilst parked in a low clearance car park?
bear grylls didn't think of that did he!
Assuming it's an electric tailgate then you can set the height.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
8th Sep 2016 9:10 am
RDR
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Never had an LR electric tailgate, does it let you wedge it down against a load sticking out and drive? or does it throw a health and safety hissy fit at you?MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
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8th Sep 2016 10:46 am
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The DS one can be stopped at any angle by touching the button or remote. If it encounters any obstruction, it goes back up.
I don't know what sort of force is required for it to change its mind. Bunging my arm in the way isn't an option.
8th Sep 2016 10:55 am
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I don't know what sort of force is required for it to change its mind
about a 4mm dent judging by the loaner I've had for the last week! there was a classic "I've forgotten about the low ceiling" tattoo on the boot lid of this one!XC90 T8 R Design Pro
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8th Sep 2016 11:34 am
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RDR wrote:
Good point re the weight, me and my dogs sat on the back are not far off 300 KG
I think we have all got to accept that this is not the car for people who use their D4's in the way they were intended to be used, it's just not designed that way. In LR's own words, the Discovery is now a "leisure brand" (yuck!), a car designed for people who need more space than a DS, but find something like a D4 too much to cope with and a huge culture shock after their BMW or Volvo estates.
Unfortunately for LR, for many of us, the void left by the D4's successor going soft is most likely to be filled by the likes of Isuzu and Mitsubishi.2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
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8th Sep 2016 12:56 pm
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8th Sep 2016 1:11 pm
RDR
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Red Merle wrote:
RDR wrote:
Good point re the weight, me and my dogs sat on the back are not far off 300 KG
I think we have all got to accept that this is not the car for people who use their D4's in the way they were intended to be used, it's just not designed that way. In LR's own words, the Discovery is now a "leisure brand" (yuck!), a car designed for people who need more space than a DS, but find something like a D4 too much to cope with and a huge culture shock after their BMW or Volvo estates.
Unfortunately for LR, for many of us, the void left by the D4's successor going soft is most likely to be filled by the likes of Isuzu and Mitsubishi.
Im still in denial.
That said, I've said it elsewhere if the void did open up it would most likely be filled by a Customised VW T6 4motion with seating and rear load space all designed to my specification.MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
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8th Sep 2016 1:21 pm
J77
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Red Merle wrote:
RDR wrote:
Good point re the weight, me and my dogs sat on the back are not far off 300 KG
I think we have all got to accept that this is not the car for people who use their D4's in the way they were intended to be used, it's just not designed that way. In LR's own words, the Discovery is now a "leisure brand" (yuck!), a car designed for people who need more space than a DS, but find something like a D4 too much to cope with and a huge culture shock after their BMW or Volvo estates.
Unfortunately for LR, for many of us, the void left by the D4's successor going soft is most likely to be filled by the likes of Isuzu and Mitsubishi.
I don't see how, D5 still has a sizeable load space, can still put dogs in the back, paving slabs or whatever. Yes the car that was shown has optional power fold seats and a smaller centre seat which isn't practical to some but we have yet to see the full range of options, that car may not be to UK specs.
The D4 is currently a leisure vehicle, many tow caravans, load it up with bikes or canoes/kayaks etc. I would say that's the leisure market?
The culture shock is not for those that drive BMWs or Volvos but to those of use that drive the D3/4 judging by the threads on here.
Yes LR are taking their time about it but the full LR isn't out yet, so shouldn't right them off just yet 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
It fits the leisure market, but it's not a leisure brand.
The difference is that there are dozens of cars around that pretend to be practical, that are 4WD and offer some more space, but they are designed for the weekend follies of the suburban townies - they're "lifestyle" vehicles. The D3/4 will do the same but it goes further; it's the real deal and works for those who use their vehicles well day in day out.
What makes the difference there are the simple things like the split tailgate, damage resistance outside and in, chunky buttons, no electric everything, uncompromising boxy shape, capacity for modification, storage space for bits and bobs, genuine off-road ability and heafty weight. It's easy to see something like boot space as a scaleable factor, but every inch could be the difference between something fitting and not, so the attitude of prioritising it is very significant, and so is it with all the other aspects. A LR is about not having to make do on practicality.
What's more, I think LR underestimate how appealing the "real deal" aspect of the D4 is to plenty of "lifestyle" users alike. Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
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8th Sep 2016 2:11 pm
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Just have to wait until we can get our hands on one.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
8th Sep 2016 2:25 pm
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If the bosses at Isuzu had any sense, they would be furiously working away on a 5 door, 7 seat ,big utility 4x4.
There is no no such thing in existance really, and there is a big gap waiting to be filled. I mean a proper utility like the d3, not a utility/almost a range rover type like the d4 and with a sensible price, not £50k plus
Not all farmers and workers want pickups, but most now want Jap reliability. Something like the mitsi shogun but not as posh or expensive.
If LR keep dawdling on the defender replacement, then surely someone is going to try get there first. Kia, ssangyong, hell even Dacia. There is a market there waiting to be tapped.
8th Sep 2016 2:36 pm
btompkins0112
Member Since: 30 Aug 2016
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Is the change in style perhaps driven by economy regulations? I know the EPA is cramming some restrictions on MPG, etc. so is LR possibly bowing to the need to add aerodynamic qualities in order to satisfy those regulations for new vehicles?
8th Sep 2016 2:40 pm
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Lost for Words wrote:
What's more, I think LR underestimate ....
Perhaps you could advise them on their underestimation of record breaking August sales figures 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
8th Sep 2016 2:51 pm
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That's peeps buying the last of the D4s before the D5 comes in!!!
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