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HairyFool
Member Since: 04 Jan 2023
Location: North Essex
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I fully acknowledge that older children have a harder time than we did but I don't think we do them any favours by not getting them to pay their way at least partially.
If you don't then what do they use their money for? They need to learn at least that earnings are not just for what they want to spend it on but also for what has to be paid for to live. In many cases it isn't until choices are forced on someone that they start to distinguish between "want" and "need". A neighbour's son was bemoaning his lack of funds as he was sticking a set of "go-faster" stripes on his fiesta. A visitor from the dark side, my other vehicle is an is still an EV. Strictly speaking its SWMBO.
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 18th Dec 2024 5:23 pm |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14483
  
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Kids perception of value and cost is determined by how they are brought up. They can appreciate the cost and value of things without contributing to rent etc.
I can’t speak for other people, but my kids are well grounded and charging them rent or not won’t change that. D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner 
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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| 18th Dec 2024 5:57 pm |
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Paul J.
Member Since: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Leafy Cheshire
Posts: 7659
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Car dealers that add on ‘paint protection’ to orders, without prior authorisation, and hope you don’t notice. 
Would Sir like to purchase Here is a £900 addition to your order, which is unnecessary unless the manufacturer is prepared to admit that their paint finish is inadequate.
It’s the same upselling that you get when buying a pair of shoes and being offered a protective product to preserve the shine. At least they have the decency to ask at shoe shops. An ex-Disco3 / FFRR / I-Pace owner ......
..... now pootling around in a Porker EV.
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| 18th Dec 2024 6:15 pm |
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JordsDisco
Member Since: 22 May 2020
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 1626
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I recall a certain LR dealership in Stockport asked me if I wanted the paint protection on a pre registered car with less than 10 miles on the clock. I told them no and they persisted a bit, but eventually let it lie. Later I discovered it had already been applied, they were just trying to recoup their costs.. 
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| 18th Dec 2024 6:37 pm |
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pjm-84
Member Since: 04 Oct 2016
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 2608
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Moo wrote:Kids perception of value and cost is determined by how they are brought up. They can appreciate the cost and value of things without contributing to rent etc.
I can’t speak for other people, but my kids are well grounded and charging them rent or not won’t change that.
What happens when they move out? I wasn't talking about grounding but the flip side of earning being expenditure and contribution.
My neice lives in that world at the moment, but the harsh reality will bite sooner or later and then she will look back and hopefully regret wasting £200k on trinkets. My Sister indulges this image, my Sister's other half, doesn't.
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| 18th Dec 2024 11:43 pm |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14483
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They’ll be fine. They save, have pensions, run and pay for their own cars, sort their phone contracts, book their own holidays, deal with the tax office, manage their investments, GP, dentist etc etc.
Just because they don’t pay rent doesn’t mean they don’t understand things and can’t / won’t manage. D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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| 19th Dec 2024 1:13 am |
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mark the spark
Member Since: 22 Jun 2011
Location: southampton
Posts: 2531
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I think that kids who are "dealing with the tax office and managing ther own investments" arnt typical
youngsters .......those confident to do those type of tasks are certainly out there but arnt representative of the norm MY05 SE D3 Manual my first LR what a car
MY10 HSE D4 auto
MY14 XXV more buttons than the spaceshuttle
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| 19th Dec 2024 10:04 am |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14483
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Maybe not, but it shows what’s possible with education and guidance. Also, amongst their peers they aren’t unusual, but thats a small cohort.
My daughters's are 19 and 24. The youngest has just come back from independent traveling / working around NZ, Australia and working on some amazing charity projects in Fiji that weren’t for the faint hearted! She works six days a week in two jobs whilst she figures out what she wants to do. Today she has to speak to her car insurer about a fraudulent accident claim made against her as well as sitting on the phone to the tax office because of an error one of her employers have made that affects her tax code. Real life stuff that we’ve all had to deal with.
The oldest is a paediatric nurse that sees and experiences things that many couldn’t cope with. She also takes unpaid leave to share her skills in developing countries. She’s just come back from a month in Tanzania and previous to that Sri Lanka.
Not sure charging them rent etc would make much difference to how they appreciate and value things, but we’re all different and I know my kids aren’t the norm.
What I would like to see is more life skills being taught at school and by parents. Too many kids aren’t prepared for the real world. D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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| 19th Dec 2024 10:29 am |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13606
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If one can afford cover one's kids' costs having ensured they understand the situation, that's great. As I said previously, I paid money in to the family kitty simply because there wasn't much money around at the time I started work. And when I needed help a few years later with my first deposit (having rented for a while), Dad helped me out in return as things had changed financially back at home. In effect, I'd saved with the bank of Mum & Dad even though it wasn't done for that reason at the time.
Some kids brought up by wealthy parents (and I use the term loosely as it covers range of household financial situations) turn out great, some are entitled little  that need a good kicking. That's down to parenting rather than the money available. There are entitled poor kids too, although how that happens is beyond me. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 19th Dec 2024 11:06 am |
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Kilovolt
Member Since: 29 Jun 2015
Location: South Derbyshire
Posts: 1079
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I picked up a pheasant bird strike front of the wife's 2023 Tiguan a few days ago and thought nothing of it. I thought it had hit the wing/wing mirror but all seemed fine when I had a quick glance at it.
Walked past the car this morning and staring at me was a huge hole in the driver's headlight lens (you could put your fist through it)  It's an LED Matrix thing-me-bob.
Rang VW for a new headlight (told the missus £500 to £750 easy).
Wait for it .............. £2,004 including VAT   Daylight robbery, or in this case, night time robbery!
Insurance claim it is then "Track day running - Don't put your foot back on the accelerator until your absolutely sure you don't have to take it off again"
Current Ride: D4 XS Commercial Baltic Blue SDV6 fully loaded with heated everything 
Track Days: BMW E36 M3 Evolution MY 1996 (3.2 Litre 377 BHP sat in 1,250 Kgs of car, with a pro safety cage and some serious braking power)
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| 19th Dec 2024 11:08 am |
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pjm-84
Member Since: 04 Oct 2016
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 2608
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Yep, in for a centre box and rear box tomorrow on my VW T5 - £918
Its not blowing just rusty and I want a clean MOT once in its life.
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| 19th Dec 2024 11:36 am |
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pjm-84
Member Since: 04 Oct 2016
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 2608
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Priced up insurance on a low mileage D4 ---- £900 - 1000 ish:blub:
Cant justify it over the Volvo at £319 as a third vehicle, even though I can afford it.
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| 19th Dec 2024 12:06 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13606
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Kilovolt wrote:I picked up a pheasant bird strike
Reminds me of one I hit in my company car back in the day. Suzuki Swift Sport (cracking little car). Pheasant hit the headlight and went straight through. Not much left of either of them! Also managed to slightly bend the leading edge of wing adjacent the headlight.
Surprising how much damage a 2-3lb bird can do when travelling at 60mph! Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 19th Dec 2024 12:51 pm |
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RogB
Member Since: 15 Jun 2018
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 1738
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Kilovolt wrote:I picked up a pheasant bird strike front of the wife's 2023 Tiguan a few days ago and thought nothing of it. I thought it had hit the wing/wing mirror but all seemed fine when I had a quick glance at it.
Walked past the car this morning and staring at me was a huge hole in the driver's headlight lens (you could put your fist through it) It's an LED Matrix thing-me-bob.
Rang VW for a new headlight (told the missus £500 to £750 easy).
Wait for it .............. £2,004 including VAT Daylight robbery, or in this case, night time robbery!
Insurance claim it is then
that was one of my fears with my 2017 Tiguan I had last year. That also had the amazing Matrix LED headlights that if i had a ''minor'' non structural front end accident the car could be written off just for the cost of the headlights and a radar 2011 D4 XS 305 MY12 - gone but not forgotten
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| 19th Dec 2024 12:53 pm |
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RogB
Member Since: 15 Jun 2018
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 1738
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pjm-84 wrote:Yep, in for a centre box and rear box tomorrow on my VW T5 - £918
Its not blowing just rusty and I want a clean MOT once in its life.
I was told that for my late 2009 T5 it was cheaper to buy an aftermarket sports exhaust than it was to get a new standard one. Luckily it was just surface rust and back box outer casing corrosion so not blowing. I just left it as it was until I sold it. 2011 D4 XS 305 MY12 - gone but not forgotten
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| 19th Dec 2024 12:54 pm |
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