LT wrote:

Downing Street has refused to confirm that MPs will see a full economic analysis of the impact of a no-deal Brexit before their final vote on departure from the EU, even though such a scenario would happen by default if they rejected Theresa May’s proposals.

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LT wrote:

English wine for me Sir!

Kyle Co-op don't sell any, and I think if I try to online order it my name gets put down on the SNP's 'list'

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highlands wrote:

LT wrote:

Downing Street has refused to confirm that MPs will see a full economic analysis of the impact of a no-deal Brexit before their final vote on departure from the EU, even though such a scenario would happen by default if they rejected Theresa May’s proposals.

I keep hearing MPs saying 'no-one voted to be poorer as a result of Brexit'
and yet we did vote for Brexit, despite the Treasury forecast of a year-long recession and 820,000 job losses if we voted for Brexit.
I don't think MPs can say we didn't vote to be poorer...if we believed Treasury forecasts.
Thankfully, the Treasury's ability to forecast proved to be about as good as ever it was.
I don't expect it will have improved a great deal (sic) in the time since the vote.

highlands wrote:

I look forward to drinking (post-Brexit, even more tariff-free) South African Pinotage to that!

That's a big shortfall in trade to make up. How much will you be drinking?

highlands wrote:

RRSTDV8 wrote:

Indeed. Got to love the pro-Brexit parliamentarians who say a public vote (referendum) on the outcome would be undemocratic. A vote for Brexit is democratic. A vote against is undemocratic. That's how Putin rolls...

We had a democratic process to get the referendum.
An in/out referendum was promised in the manifesto of the party that gained a majority in Parliament in a General Election, as well as a majority of people voting for parties that promised an in/out referendum.
As a result Parliament enacted the in/out referendum.


Parties in the next General Election promised they would carry out the result of the referendum, that we would leave. Over 80% of the UK electorate voted for parties that promised this, so Parliament is enacting it.

If you want another referendum based on Democracy and Sovereignty of Parliament, I suggest you vote for parties that offer it in the next General Election and if they gain a majority they'll almost certainly enact it.

DG wrote:

OK I'm going to have my say on the last 24hrs...warts and all.

The original brexit thread grew considerably as a debating chamber ...in the main it was just that ....with some wondrous observations of both facts, conjecture and humour from both sides ...occasionally it got a bit steamy but ultimately it was good natured and I truly believe that we were all learning a little something from either side.

In recent weeks it became rather more controversial with reasonable debate being stifled in certain respects. Tempers became raised by a flat-lined aggressive stance at times and the response to this became elevated, including my own as a participant.

In light of that, I felt the only course of action was to lock the old thread and start a new one with very defined rules. The point here was that, in pursuit of light humour and genuine debate, we could have somehow continued.

The outcome was tbh a disaster...why? because not only was the perceived protagonist unable to keep their requirement ...but also others from the opposite viewpoint ...my own viewpoint, were also unable to contain themselves in an equal measure of the enhanced rules.

My view and advice is that where you know responses will be completely fruitless ...the don't respond ..don't provide oxygen.

The fact that Martin has become involved is somewhat embarrassing ....I do genuinely hope that a reasoned debate on this vital , once in a lifetime topic, can return at some point

So is this the new brexit thread or are you starting another?

You should bring it back. Lots of these old people only posted on that thread

highlands wrote:

It wasn't feedback from opinion polls that resulted in the Brexit referendum, but rather a manifesto commitment enacted in the Parliament to which it related.
The will of the people for a referendum was established through the General Election and the will of the people on Brexit was established by the largest ever response to a democratic vote in the UK.

Disco_Mikey wrote:

highlands wrote:

I look forward to drinking (post-Brexit, even more tariff-free) South African Pinotage to that!

That's a big shortfall in trade to make up. How much will you be drinking?

There go a million new year resolutions to drink less next year!

Disco_Mikey wrote:

highlands wrote:

I look forward to drinking (post-Brexit, even more tariff-free) South African Pinotage to that!

That's a big shortfall in trade to make up. How much will you be drinking?

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With more than 100,000 staff vacancies across the NHS, 40,000 of them nurses, the RCN has been vocal about the harms of a “botched Brexit” and the risk of making it more difficult to attract nurses.

It says a second referendum will ensure the public has the chance to make an informed decision on the terms of the UK’s exit, two and a half years after it voted to Leave.