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Re: How to improve the rear of a D5 ......
ronp wrote:
...... and here was another drivers solution.
Covering the rear with high viz vinyl to distract the eye.
Didn't realize the gypsy community had that sort of vehicle used to be transits ?
9th Aug 2019 9:21 pm
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LT wrote:
Do you really think the D5 is as revolutionary in both design and technology as the D3 was?
Was it meant to be? Evolution rather than revolution perhaps ...though the sad thing is that most of the whiners focus on the square meter at the back ...in my experience ...eg. owning one rather than just having a pop ....it is a very competent motor ...the technology and capability far exceeds the D3 \ 4 on and off-road.
Cue all the reasons you don't want one 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
9th Aug 2019 9:53 pm
LT
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You’ve misunderstood me. I wasn’t slating the D5. I said that I thought the D3 could become a classic, but doubted that the D5 would. Apparently I was dreaming to say such a thing.
You’re right though, there are numerous reasons why I don’t want a D5. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
9th Aug 2019 9:58 pm
Someone-Gone
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From the D2 to the D5 there has been a progression in body shape and technology.
Even I can remember the veiled hostility aimed at the models that succeed the prior ones and the protestations that they’d never catch on. This is just the latest episode and people are of course, wrong.
The D3/4 might be iconic with one or two die hard enthusiasts, particularly on here, but really that’s about it. I’ve had both vehicles before the D5 and all I can say is I don’t miss the old models and the D5 is streets ahead of them in every respect, end included.
9th Aug 2019 10:11 pm
LT
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You’re totally missing the point.
I’m not comparing the D5 to the D3. I’m saying that at launch the design and technology of the D3 was far more revolutionary and for that reason it’s more likely to become a classic.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
9th Aug 2019 10:18 pm
Someone-Gone
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Can’t see it personally.
9th Aug 2019 10:26 pm
Moo D3 Decade
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The D5 is old news, it’s still not a replacement for the D4 and It’s still using yesterdays technology.
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
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9th Aug 2019 10:31 pm
LT
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The D3 with air suspension and Terrain Response System, twin chassis and immensely practical design etc. was a revelation back in 2004.
I’ve no doubt that in 20 years time a mint original example of an early D3, will be both more desirable and valuable than an early model D5.
The D3 is a classic example of Form and Function in design, the D5 isn’t.
Time will tell. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
9th Aug 2019 10:36 pm
Red Merle
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ronp wrote:
Again, to be fair .... if I'd bought one I'd be in denial too...
It might be an ugly and have lost usability in a search for a dubious new “style” but, sometimes, being protective of the underdog has a certain appeal 👍
Heck, I used to be very defensive of my Montego estate in the late 80’s, despite it rapidly dissolving in the rain, so I can relate to and appreciate sticking up for a lost case 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
10th Aug 2019 12:01 am
Pelyma
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LT wrote:
You’re totally missing the point.
I’m not comparing the D5 to the D3. I’m saying that at launch the design and technology of the D3 was far more revolutionary and for that reason it’s more likely to become a classic.
I think you’re right Tom, the D3 was revolutionary the D5 evolutionary.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
10th Aug 2019 6:05 am
LT
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Exactly. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
10th Aug 2019 8:06 am
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The D2 was tractor-like compared to the D3, so the step up was significant and I agree it was revolutionary. I never anticipated that the D5 would be revolutionary ...except perhaps in the area of in-car electronics which are way above the D4 in every way.
In other aspects, it is totally an evolution, upwards but also sideways, away from the tonka feel and more towards the RR and an on-road bias. This move was intentional and it will be down to the likes of the new defender to fill the traditional tonka, rufty turfty side of the D4 that we (a tiny minority) might crave.21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
10th Aug 2019 9:59 am
ruggedpeak
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I don't think "we", the tonka preferring fraternity, are a minority. The lacklustre sales of the D5 suggests (and to a certain extent the current trend for 'authentic' and 'retro' reinforces) there is still a desire for a "proper" off road orientated vehicles (even if they are still driven to the supermarket and back, which look and feel as such. The D5, whether it is capable or not, simply does not convey traditional LR values (the ones LR are desperate to hide). Until the D5 LR had never produced a truly fugly vehicle before. Tony
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10th Aug 2019 1:36 pm
ruggedpeak
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And another thing...
Merc still do the G Wagen and Unimog, still have proper tonka like styling and still sell. Obviously not their top sellers but they have retained their roots.
Interesting piece on taking D5's across Peru. Does the job but the summary is:
For me that sums up the D5 and as a die hard, Camel Trophy wannabe LR fanatic, it does nothing for me. The botched back end is the final nail in the coffin in a vehicle that is perhaps the best example of how LR has lost its way.Tony
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10th Aug 2019 1:44 pm
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As much as I liked my D3 and D4, they weren’t a patch on the D5, but I accept the older generation may not like it favouring a bit of nostalgia. Suppose they go well parked next to a Morris Marina
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Evolution rather than revolution perhaps ...though the sad thing is that most of the whiners focus on the square meter at the back ...in my experience ...eg. owning one rather than just having a pop ....it is a very competent motor ...the technology and capability far exceeds the D3 \ 4 on and off-road.
end included. 
