oldpostbob
Member Since: 23 Apr 2007
Location: North Yorkshire
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Just mangaged to get 24,000 miles out of my first set of Perelli Scorpions - 18" alloys and need to get a new set.
Which are the best to go for - another set of Pirelli or are the General Grabber AT2 better - in terms of handling and mileage - I don't do much off road but could do with a tyre that lasts longer than 24,000 miles - I used to get 40,000 out of my Scorpions on a D2 Commercial.
Any advice greatly received.
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discoagogo
Member Since: 30 Aug 2007
Location: Hampshire
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I am on the wear bars of my Scorpions at 19k so you have done well; my trawl of the forum indicates about 14k-24k is what they do so happy to be in the middle.
I think I will be going to AT2s hopefully for the same reason as you unless anyone tells us different.
If anyone knows of a way of getting 4 new at2s (18") fitted in the South for less than £500 I will be interested in PM 2007 TDV6 XS Silver
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| 3rd Jun 2008 4:22 pm |
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AJS4X4
Member Since: 30 Mar 2008
Location: Surrey
Posts: 3224
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Four General AT2 255/60x18,How about £512.30 inc VAT fitted and balanced, and in stock.
Regards
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| 3rd Jun 2008 4:36 pm |
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jollybodger
Member Since: 11 Jul 2005
Location: Marlow, Bucks
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You beat me to it AJS4X4. I am about to pop through to them for a complete set of P Scorpions. If the wranglers last longer are they as quiet. We really don't do much off road stuff, so assumed that the Wrangler was more focussed on that!
Cheers
Duncan
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| 3rd Jun 2008 5:07 pm |
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oldpostbob
Member Since: 23 Apr 2007
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 45
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Andy (AJS4X4) whiat kind of milage you expect from the AT2 on the D3 and will it handle the same with the AT2's as the Pirelli?
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| 3rd Jun 2008 7:05 pm |
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CFB
Member Since: 02 Dec 2005
Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
Posts: 6100
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MPG will suffer a bit on AT2's, no point fitting if you don't do much off-road IMHO, stick to Warnglers or Scorpions for a smoother ride. 2020 BMW X1 18d XDrive X-Line Auto
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| 3rd Jun 2008 7:12 pm |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
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Wranglers will last longer and are better IMHO in snow and off road. Also ride better, feel more planted on the road.
Get nosier than the Scorpions when they wear though.
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| 3rd Jun 2008 7:14 pm |
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AJS4X4
Member Since: 30 Mar 2008
Location: Surrey
Posts: 3224
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We have Goodyear', scorpions and the AT2 in stock in 255/60x18 and all have good points, you will never find one tyre to suit all end users.
My choice is the AT2 as we do tow trailors and have to get acrossloose and undulating ground, if we never went off the tarmac and wanted a very quite tyre it would be the Goodyear, but I do hear customers say they would not drive on anything but the Scorpions.
Gentlemen, it's your choice, please feel free to call and discuss you tyre requirements, any size, any fitment.
Regards
Andy www.ajstyres.co.uk 
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| 4th Jun 2008 4:24 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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I've used Scorpion's, Wrangler HP's & MTR's all in 19".
Imo, the Scorpion's are the best on road, great traction in wet & dry conditions, as well as being surprisingly capable off-road. They have a relatively "soft" compound, hence the great traction but as a result they are probably the least hard wearing. I also think that they offer the best steering feel.
The HP's feel as if they have a harder compound & they do wear better, but for me grip & steering feel are inferior to the Scorpion's. I haven't tested the HP's off-road (other than minor tracks etc.) so I can't really compare.
MTR's are of course brilliant in mud etc. but if you're not going to venture "seriously" off-road I wouldn't advise anyone to fit them. I guesstimate, that MTR's cost me an 2-3mpg as well.
I've twice driven a D3 at Eastnor Castle, each time it was shod with Scorpion's. I was really surprised how capable they were off-road.
I only got the MTR's as I wanted the reinforced sidewalls. I often drive on stony/rocky surfaces. Hence fitting the MTR's to FFRR rims that I don't mind damaging (which I have slighty).
If long life is your major requirement, then maybe you should try the Wrangler HP's & see how you get on.
Personally for road use, I'm happy to sacrifice a bit of wear for the grippier Scorpions.
I know that others will disagree & I think that it really is a personal choice & depends on how you drive etc. etc..
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| 4th Jun 2008 4:57 pm |
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Paul Dyster
Member Since: 16 May 2008
Location: Essex
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Guys, i'm just replacing GY wranglers on 18" 255/65/18 got nearly 60,000mile on the H rated ones. just buying some online through etyres @ £122 fitted each and they come to your home or work
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| 4th Jun 2008 7:34 pm |
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hernan1304
Member Since: 28 Feb 2008
Location: Dubai
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Currently driving a loaned FFRR (D3 in the shop) on Pirelli Scorpion Zero 19" and I have to say they are giving me a lot more road noise and harsh ride (even with the more plush FFRR suspension) than my D3 on the stock wranglers. It's almost like I'm riding on A/T tyres. Of course, this could be due to abuse on a 26,000km loaner car, but not impressed. I have set the pressures to recommended - was too low when received.
The wrangler HPs are quite good on-road, and I have to say that combined with the very-capable D3, they have yet to let me down in the sand either! Of course they could be  and I wouldn't know it - maybe better tyres would make the D3 into an unstoppable dune buggy, but unfortunately I don't think there's currently a better sand tyre offered in the 255/55-19. Also have gotten no punctures on fast gravel and some light rock crawling (small sharp rocks).
As for the Scorpions improving handling - I would think the limiting factor in handling is the top-heavy D3 rather than the ultimate adhesion of the tyres right? Wouldn't you flip before the tyres even began to make a difference?
EDIT - have just been reading over reviews on Tirerack.com for the two tyres, the difference in ratings is shocking! People seem to love the scorpion ATRs and hate the Wrangler HPs. Maybe I'm not complaining yet because I haven't put any serious mileage on them...
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresult...?type=ORAT
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| 5th Jun 2008 6:02 am |
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scoobystiv8
Member Since: 01 Nov 2007
Location: Barnard Castle
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my wranglers were ditched after they caused my car to sound like it had bearing failure.land rover spent days changing bits only to find it was the tyres.they changed them all to pirellis and no probs anymore.they were noisy on my d2s aswell. wouldn't have them again. D3 V8 SE AUTO
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| 5th Jun 2008 2:59 pm |
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Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
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i hated them on my first Freelander and they were just as rumbly on the first D3, Scorpions every-time. The only thing you can criticize them for is sidewall strength, but then they are a road tyre. I think their offroad ability is down to the car's knack of finding traction when it shouldn't be able to, thereby making the tyres look good. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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| 5th Jun 2008 5:33 pm |
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Winger
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Member Since: 15 Feb 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 3428
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Don't overlook what Michelin have to offer; I've always preferred their large 4x4 tyres, the Synchrone was masterful. With Latitudes, now fitted for ~10k miles, the vehicle is a truly different machine, and they have lost about 1mm of tread in that time.
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| 5th Jun 2008 9:02 pm |
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AJS4X4
Member Since: 30 Mar 2008
Location: Surrey
Posts: 3224
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Yes I would tend to agree with "WINGER" that the Michelins are a great tyre for the tarmac and do last well, sidewalls are a little soft which will give a very good ride, but off-road could be an issue and the cost will make some cry. 
We all have our own ideas on tyres which I respect, but I do think some of the leading brands have lost direction and should give us a better All Terrain choice, mind you this would make it even more confusing and differcult to make our choices. 
Andy www.ajstyres.co.uk
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