pom
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Winger there are lots of mods that can be done to a D3 that can effect the insurance, why is bbspy system top of the list ?
I think you all need to chill out.
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Winger
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Pom,
Trust me, I am entirely chilled. I have nothing against the BBS system, but his conjecture about warranty is misleading at the most basic level.
However, DISCO3 is supposed to be a champion of altruism. BBS SPY's post, and this has nothing to do with his product, did not reconcile itself with that principle.
I cannot see that I mentioned insurance; I merely pointed another poster to a discussion on this subject which can be found in another forum. You participated in the discussion, as I recall.
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| 3rd Apr 2009 10:15 pm |
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catweasel
Member Since: 05 May 2006
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pom wrote:I think you all need to chill out.
Pom
and I think people need to open their eyes to the other side of modification and also allow others who disagree with whats going on here to post and comment without being told to "chill out" 
as people all know when the sofware within the vehicle goes wrong it is a royal pain in the  and whilst it might be nice to get a mate to alter their vehicle will this same mate fix up other software failures or put it back to normal when you request it or not. Im sure the dealers work has some sort of gaurantee so I would be careful of following this route unless you intend to own your own kit.
as per usual, something new and flashy arrives and everyone wants it and they dont want to hear an opposing view or be told of potential issues but when it comes to the crunch as in the past only a few end up getting it.
I personally dont care for the upgrading function but would like to see the diagnostic side of things work so am not against the kit but the way it is being pushed on this site. if I feel the need to post a percieved issue I will so I think others need to pull their heads in a bit and allow all to post even those that may have a particular sig line but also have a valid reason for posting.
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| 3rd Apr 2009 11:08 pm |
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simon
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Exactly Chris 
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| 4th Apr 2009 7:43 am |
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BBS SPY
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I think Mods V insurance or warranty debates are off topic.
At least it can be seen how really easy is to swap between modified and standard settings with our system for whatever reason.
In fact, as well as the ability to save all settings pages as standard HTML, and then re load them and re write them back. Our system also allows you to save any pages of information, it presents EG Fault code lists, live data snap shots etc. And for live data monitoring you can also either capture the screen activity using the built in screen video capture feature or you can stream the data in Raw CSV (Comma Separated Variable) format.
This means you can import the saved data from a capture session into the likes of Excel. Here it can be modified, have sections or elements deleted re organized or whatever. There is also a set of titles and a time stamp parameter stored in the saved data too to help keep track on it. Obviously from Excel, you can then create line charts etc.
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| 4th Apr 2009 9:13 am |
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90BHP
Member Since: 18 Oct 2006
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BBS SPY wrote:
I think Mods V insurance or warranty debates are off topic.
At least it can be seen how really easy is to swap between modified and standard settings with our system for whatever reason.
Surely if you are doing this for an upgrade, swapping back would only be required if you wanted to hide your work from a dealer or an insurance assessor. Insurance wouldn't be off topic if the local Police serious collision unit had to investigate your car (heaven forbid) following a serious accident.
And it really wouldn't be off topic if the performance / functionality was seen as you changing spec / modifying the core electronics of your car. Slightly different, but look at the poor chap who lost his kids in the 110 accident last year . . . .
You also seemed to avoid my warranty comment. Will you stand by a customer and replace / repair at your expense if LR void a warranty claim ? Do you put that in writting to customers. - Why do I ask - because of your "pah" comment about warranty. Personally I don't want a £35k paperweight on my drive. "To finish first, one first has to finish ...."
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| 4th Apr 2009 12:58 pm |
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simon
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90BHP wrote:
You also seemed to avoid my warranty comment. Will you stand by a customer and replace / repair at your expense if LR void a warranty claim ? Do you put that in writting to customers. - Why do I ask - because of your "pah" comment about warranty. Personally I don't want a £35k paperweight on my drive.
Seems like he is.
Maybe LR standing by their vehicles for three years is not worth BBS warranting the work his equipment does.
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| 4th Apr 2009 9:02 pm |
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90BHP
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Seems like he is rather doesn't it . . . .
just my opinion - Not sure If I am allowed one - but I wouldn't touch this with a long stick, until it is well proven. comments like "it's in there somewhere", don't really give me that positive feeling I like to have in product and expertise. "To finish first, one first has to finish ...."
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| 4th Apr 2009 9:09 pm |
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simon
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Well I'd better not say as I may be seen to be causing trouble again 
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| 4th Apr 2009 9:14 pm |
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countrywide
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One question, how is any of this different to engine remaps.
1. It affects the software in the car and alters it from factory spec
2. It affects the control of hardware via the modified software so has potential to blow things up.
3. It affects the warranty
4. Few if any remaps offer indemnity of manufacture warranty
5. Many if not all are promoted as invisible to the dealer
6. 100% it affects your insurance without doubt so you have to tell them, more so than any other change mentioned in the BBS thread.
7. All of them had be tried out first by a few people before being considered safe and also the longevity could not be guaranteed until cars had been on the road for some time with a remap.
8. The remap could make the engine as powerful as the new 3 litre engine, so you have almost the same question as adding 4x4 sat nav, if you wanted a more powerful engine why not just buy the new one rather than remap. And before you ask, the new engine will be remapped as well, the the answer because it's not available is not valid.
So I am curious as to why people are so jumpy about it, when a huge number have remaps  . Somebody has to be first to do adopt the technology. Not that it helps me as I don't even have basic sat nav 
By the way I am a huge supporter of remaps, they are reliable and they work
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| 4th Apr 2009 9:20 pm |
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90BHP
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I may have a new life support machine, due out. But I wouldn't tell everyone about the Betta testing and I wouldn't promote it at all until I knew what it did  "To finish first, one first has to finish ...."
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| 4th Apr 2009 9:25 pm |
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countrywide
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But somebody is testing it and also it is probably being promoted around key users to see what they think
Without dialogue, many of the nice to have features you would like would probably not be in it. I am not saying the BBS is great, I have never used it but until it goes wrong while in use by a Beta tester then I can't be too critical. As far as I am aware from reading elsewhere the company seems to have a history of products, the majority of which seem to be respected.
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| 4th Apr 2009 9:27 pm |
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90BHP
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And that's called Betta testing where I work. but you don't go public until you have completed it
Bit like the spy shots of cars you see - guess what, they are testing them, and by the time you can buy one - it "should" be just right "To finish first, one first has to finish ...."
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| 4th Apr 2009 9:29 pm |
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powella
Member Since: 29 Dec 2008
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If you are not comfortable with it, then don't buy it.
Thank you all for sharing the thoughts that it may invalidate the warranty, and that you may not be comfortable with it unless someone else takes on the risk.
I am interested in hearing and seeing what this technical tool can and cannot do, so I can make an informed decision around it.
Just a thought, should there be a thread for the diagnostics and the editing side.
That way the theological debates can be avoided for those who only want the diagnostics.
Also then the editing thread could have an appropriate set of boundaries to keep it on topic?
Cheers, 2007 Discovery 3 HSE TDV6, Java Black. Towing a Kimberley Karavan... somewhere...
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| 4th Apr 2009 9:32 pm |
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Pelyma
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CW right back at the beginning of time similar discussions were had about remaps and all these issues came to light. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
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