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d3matt
Member Since: 03 Aug 2005
Location: South Oxfordshire
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I submitted that before I finished!
While the results show that the passenger cell didn't buckle at all and provided excellent protection, much of the driver's injury risk is only rated at "marginal" in front impacts - which I would of expected better. This seems to be due to injury from the steering column and glove box on the passenger side. Nice to see that the pedals hardly moved though.
Overall, it would seems that the D3 performed very well in the crash test (if you're inside the car). It's a pity it didn't get top marks for the occupant protection though.
Still, in a accident, your likely to be hitting another car, not a brick wall. So you can be confident that you'll be safer in a D3 weighing nearly 3 tons than almost anything else - just hope it's not with a truck. Matt
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 28th Jul 2006 11:53 pm |
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dylansdad
Member Since: 04 Apr 2006
Location: Solihull
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sorry but the fact the vehicle has extra weight is only a benefit if the structure is robust enough to back up that weight. for me this test shows its not . a head on impact with a d3 and another vehicle both travelling at the test speed will inevitably result in more damage to the d3 passengers than I was hoping for. 2004 TDV6 HSE Auto Zambezi Silver
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| 29th Jul 2006 12:09 am |
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JMC
Member Since: 25 Feb 2006
Location: Aberdeen-Angus. Where the Bull* comes from!
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Perhaps it is something to do with being reckless..... But I couldn't care much less about the EuroNcap results. 
I dare say that were the D3 to be shown to crumple to the size of a smart car if hit by a wasp at 40mph then I might be a little concerned, but I sure as hell won't be running to a Renault garage to order an Espace based on these findings.
If you live this life round what might happen, you might as well cover yourself in bubble wrap and stay at home. Be careful though, you will probably suffocate with that stuff 
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| 29th Jul 2006 12:21 am |
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catweasel
Member Since: 05 May 2006
Location: Bundaleer
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it's brilliant off road, it's brilliant on road, has an excellent safety score, huge luggage capacity, can seat seven won just about everything. c'mon guys it cant be no. 1 in every field, lets accept it for the phenomenal, worldwide award winning vehicle that it is. please note that these are sterile test and in the real world it may perform different and those that have had accidents on here so far seem to agree that they'd be in no other vehicle.
well thats my bit anyway
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| 29th Jul 2006 12:24 am |
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
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No vehicle is safe ...these are just dynamic ideals using dummys....I have seen an apparent simple rear shunt require a full extrication for major spinal damage.... and a complete obliteration of a vehicle that the driver walked away from....
NCAP has its purpose ...but don't think for one minute that the pile up you might be in will involve the same roleplay.
Unless it's with a truck...I have no doubt who will come off worse  21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 29th Jul 2006 12:25 am |
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catweasel
Member Since: 05 May 2006
Location: Bundaleer
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we need an applaude emoticon
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| 29th Jul 2006 12:30 am |
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DG
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sadly not available 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 29th Jul 2006 12:32 am |
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dylansdad
Member Since: 04 Apr 2006
Location: Solihull
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lol dont get me wrong, d3 has its good points, but this thread is about the ncap results, and given its a new design, latest to market, I would have hoped it to be at least the equal of the others.
I appreciate the weakness of ncap and agree, but in the absence of any other benchmark test that lets you fairly compare the performance of vehicles under crash conditions, this is all we can go on. 
so we know LR cant write bug free software, have reliability issues, and safety design is behind the rest, just glad my overall love of the d3s good points is still enough to outweigh the negatives else id be seriously depressed having spent my own cash on this beast. 2004 TDV6 HSE Auto Zambezi Silver
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| 29th Jul 2006 12:59 am |
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randalls
Member Since: 02 Mar 2006
Location: aberdeenshire
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I was that being 'friendly to other cars in an accident' sh  it that is responsible for this......    2007 TDV6 HSE 'Silver Lady'. With 'free' privacy glass LOL.
Taking the greenpi$$ is: Green taxing your citizens more & using some of the money to buy nukes.
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| 29th Jul 2006 1:17 am |
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randalls
Member Since: 02 Mar 2006
Location: aberdeenshire
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if you look at the Rav 4 test the two uppermost markers on the bonnet are still present, on the D3 test they are mush.........
http://www.whatcar.com/news-special-report...EL=3170840 2007 TDV6 HSE 'Silver Lady'. With 'free' privacy glass LOL.
Taking the greenpi$$ is: Green taxing your citizens more & using some of the money to buy nukes.
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| 29th Jul 2006 1:27 am |
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catweasel
Member Since: 05 May 2006
Location: Bundaleer
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dylansdad wrote: but this thread is about the ncap results
so we know LR cant write bug free software,
whatcar.com wrote:In the first frontal test, the airbags fired late. Toyota modified the software in the control unit so that the airbags fired earlier and Euro NCAP allowed Toyota to re-test the modified car.
The airbags then fired as intended, but Toyota has informed Euro NCAP that it does not intend to apply these modifications to cars already sold.
first of all LR are not the only ones with software issues, even Gatesy cant get it right (nor Toyota with their airbag). secondly the test doesn't seem to mean much if you modify a test car to pass and don't bother changing the ones in the real world with real humans. so what's the point of the test? to make sure crash test dummies are safe, and I also notice that the tests are a bit subjective and not all based on clinical data. yes the thread is about the NCAP test but above has just proven it's worth (or lack of) there's always compromises in vehicle design and I buy on function not form. I dont intend being involved in an accident and dont buy, drive nor live my life accordingly otherwise I'd never leave the house (which would then probably catch fire)
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| 29th Jul 2006 1:52 am |
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caverD3
Member Since: 03 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
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pedestrian safety depends upon the criteria you use.
I seem to remember 5th Gear doing a test that showed less injuries from a 4x4 because the pedestrian was thrown back instead of plughing their head into the windscreen. “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
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| 29th Jul 2006 7:46 am |
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dylansdad
Member Since: 04 Apr 2006
Location: Solihull
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catweasel wrote:dylansdad wrote: but this thread is about the ncap results
so we know LR cant write bug free software,
whatcar.com wrote:In the first frontal test, the airbags fired late. Toyota modified the software in the control unit so that the airbags fired earlier and Euro NCAP allowed Toyota to re-test the modified car.
The airbags then fired as intended, but Toyota has informed Euro NCAP that it does not intend to apply these modifications to cars already sold.
first of all LR are not the only ones with software issues, even Gatesy cant get it right (nor Toyota with their airbag). secondly the test doesn't seem to mean much if you modify a test car to pass and don't bother changing the ones in the real world with real humans. so what's the point of the test? to make sure crash test dummies are safe, and I also notice that the tests are a bit subjective and not all based on clinical data. yes the thread is about the NCAP test but above has just proven it's worth (or lack of) there's always compromises in vehicle design and I buy on function not form. I dont intend being involved in an accident and dont buy, drive nor live my life accordingly otherwise I'd never leave the house (which would then probably catch fire)
you seem to be missing my point and taking my view personally as an attack on the D3, its not.
I do not know if manufacturers 'modify' and 'fix' their results...... i have no knowledge of this and seriously doubt it is true.
as for software, taking a part out of a whole scentence which was actually about the fact i still love my D3 is not really fair. However, since you ask, 'gatesy's' software is a million miles from LRs.... windoze is an 'open' operating system with a billion differenct combinations of other stuff added to it from every man and his dog (hardware software etc..) the fact it works as well as it does is actually surprising. Now LR.... they have a closed system, you cant modify its software or functionality, a fair comparison would be with your washing machine..... now they dont tend to fail to startup the spin, stall mid wash
anyway as i said before this is about ncap..... it does have relevance as a benchmark test, and it is disturbing how much the D3 caved in on the front.... probably a result of the extra inertia due to the weight. 2004 TDV6 HSE Auto Zambezi Silver
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| 29th Jul 2006 10:18 am |
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gasdoc
Member Since: 28 Mar 2005
Location: Cornwall
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Stateing the obvious, the best way to avoid injury 100% is not to have an accident. I believe that the features of the Disco (visibility, roadholding and dynamics) will help me to do this. The good driving position will help me see wayward pedestrians also. If I do have a crash I want a car that crumples to take the energy ofthe impact but keeps my safety cell intact. There is very little to worry about here but I do think LR need to look at the steering lock intrusion.
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| 29th Jul 2006 11:04 am |
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retired
Member Since: 18 Feb 2006
Location: Surrey
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Cars are tested in categories where similar cars are grouped together. I.e. large off roaders, , small family cars, large family cars etc.. This means that care is needed when interpreting the results.
The tests simulate what happens when two similar vehicles collide. They do not tell you what will happen in collisions between dissimilar vehicles.
The following is copied from the EuroNcap web site:
Are large cars safer than small cars?
In frontal impacts between cars, the occupants of the heavier car or the one with higher structures tend to fare better than those travelling in lighter lower cars. It should be noted though that higher vehicles tend to be less stable and consequently more likely to be involved in accidents, particularly those involving loss of control, where overturning or an impact with a roadside obstacle may occur. These effects are currently impossible to overcome. As most people decide on the size of the car to buy for other reasons, Euro NCAP only makes comparisons within size categories. The rating of a car within its size category is a function of the quality of its safety design.
Can results be compared between different categories of cars?
No. Results should only be compared within the same group. The frontal testing method mirrors a crash between two similar sized cars. The Euro NCAP tests cannot be used to predict the outcome of such crashes between cars of different heights and masses
This would appear to mean that if a 5* supermini and a 5* large off roader run into each other the occupants of the larger vehicle will probably be better off.
On a different note, I have been a reader of the forum for some while but not a D3 owner. This changes on Monday when I collect my new SE automatic.
Can’t wait!
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| 29th Jul 2006 11:10 am |
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