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dylansdad wrote:
you seem to be missing my point and taking my view personally as an attack on the D3, its not.
not taking it personally at all you have your opinion and me mine. you could attack it all day as blokes in my day to day life do but it wouldn't sway me one iota, I know it's a good thing and cant be top of the podium always but as an allrounder it makes Daley Thompson look second rate
dylansdad wrote:
I do not know if manufacturers 'modify' and 'fix' their results...... i have no knowledge of this and seriously doubt it is true.
the bit about the airbags is an extract from the article
dylansdad wrote:
Now LR.... they have a closed system, you cant modify its software or functionality, a fair comparison would be with your washing machine..... now they dont tend to fail to startup the spin, stall mid wash
well dont let TC near this washing machine then as the spin cycle might make it take off. I think remapping would be a some sort of modification, and I'm sure the Linux community could do something a tad better.
dylansdad wrote:
anyway as i said before this is about ncap..... it does have relevance as a benchmark test, and it is disturbing how much the D3 caved in on the front.... probably a result of the extra inertia due to the weight.
if it didn't cave in I would be astonished and probably severely injured or dead. look at the inside, no engine bay bits chopping off legs and the doors could still be opened, amazing. like I said some of it is subjective like the airbag light not being visible (says who, and its illegal to deactivate airbags in Australia. we dont have that function so their effectiveness depends on the driver somewhat also) and you might bruise a knee. PPleeease
just one point on the washing, when you go to buy one do you buy on one feature or its overall features, and thats my point that the test is a guide only (and I do mean guide as on the road there are lots of other things to consider) I'm buying the D3 to get me where a 2wd wont. I understand your issue with the test and am not having a go, Itend to think these things are useful titbits to talk about in the workshop and nothing more.
29th Jul 2006 11:13 am
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Rather a D3 than the bendy Chevy
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29th Jul 2006 11:40 am
oliver77
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well I had plenty top say about crash testing on an earlier thread a couple of weeks back as this is my industry. The Disco 3 performed pretty much as I expected. Looking at the photographs, I am impressed by the deformation pattern and the knee injuries were to be expected.
The truth is that we can't have the best of both worlds, you cannot have a car designed to do what they D3 does and then have it deform all over the place.
The sheer weight and structure of this car means that a huge amount of kinetic energy will be absorbed by whatever CAR you may hit.
Having spent my career investigating collisions, I can safely say that if any part of me has to suffer in a crash it would be my legs first and head/chest last.
The D3 did well in these tests but would never do as well as Volvo. D3 was designed to be the best off-roader in the world. The XC90 was designed to be the safest SUV in the world. I think they both met their objectives.
29th Jul 2006 3:41 pm
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well Land Rover did hype the new chassis arrangement pretty much throughout the D3's short history, and now we find it buckles quite considerably compared to other SUV's (more mass ?) but importantly it preserves the passenger compartment in the NCAP tests. The way Land Rover has described the chassis lead me to think it was practically indestructable, this is clearly not the case, but thankfully they seem to have done enough to contain the D3's mass when hitting a rigid object. 2007 TDV6 HSE 'Silver Lady'. With 'free' privacy glass LOL.
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29th Jul 2006 11:19 pm
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I think some are missing the point here...the front of the vehicle crumples because that it exactly what it's designed to do....it's a 'crumple' zone...so therefore it crumple's .....if you read the report it states that the passenger cabin is 'stable', which is whats most important.
What were you expecting to see .....the front fully intact???21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
29th Jul 2006 11:59 pm
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well I wasnt expecting the thing to bounce off the wall like a rubber ball without damage ..... but I was expecting better than lowest score protection to my legs and chest...... like maybe the vw or volvo? not being unrealistic dont expect green across the board, but no reds would have met my expectations.2004 TDV6 HSE Auto Zambezi Silver
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30th Jul 2006 1:00 am
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I don't think it got any poor (red) marks. It got marginal for drivers chest and passengers / drivers thighs and adequate for driver's lower leg. Unless you are referring to the pedestrian scores which are pretty much poor (red).
30th Jul 2006 2:07 am
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dylansdad wrote:
but no reds would have met my expectations.
Expectation met then 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
30th Jul 2006 8:06 am
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......and another point to consider is that the frontal crash test involves the test vehicle striking with the same opposing force of it's own equivalent mass...so if you were unlucky enough to hit another D3... then the injuries shown in the results could be anticipated.
For every 100kg in weight difference of the other contact vehicle though the risk of death or injury stats NCAP use should be adjusted by 7%.
So work it out :
D3..............2750KG
BMW X5.......2170KG
Volvo XC90...2070KG
VW Toerag...2510KG
...and then think of the opponents results if they hit a D3
If my maths are right if you hit anything below 1400kg (a Ford Focus) then you should not suffer much more than a bead of sweat on your brow.21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
30th Jul 2006 9:15 am
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dickgriff wrote:
dylansdad wrote:
but no reds would have met my expectations.
Expectation met then
when I look at the diagrams of frontal impact it shows red(poor) for checs and upper legs for driver and upper legs for passenger.2004 TDV6 HSE Auto Zambezi Silver
30th Jul 2006 11:10 am
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Eeerrr...No, I'm afraid that's definitely orange, which is a 'marginal' rating,
....the others are burgundy\brown for 'weak' and blood red for 'poor'
It would never have gotten 4 stars if there were any red 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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30th Jul 2006 11:24 am
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what I dont get is the passenger had green for the chest but the driver had orange even though the chest was not struck (my interpretation of it)
30th Jul 2006 11:37 am
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Well really we need Oliver77 to explain perhaps...it's what he does for a living...but I would think that despite airbag deployment there must still be some contact with the steering wheel albeit involving much less force perhaps ??21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
30th Jul 2006 11:48 am
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nope it says no contact with the steering wheel, so are they assuming something or not telling us all ???
30th Jul 2006 11:57 am
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Ah ....is it that the impact is offset to the drivers side therefore decelleration would be ever so slightly more excessive for him \ it??21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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you have your opinion and me mine. you could attack it all day as blokes in my day to day life do but it wouldn't sway me one iota, I know it's a good thing and cant be top of the podium always but as an allrounder it makes Daley Thompson look second rate 
2007 TDV6 HSE 'Silver Lady'. With 'free' privacy glass LOL.
.....if you read the report it states that the passenger cabin is 'stable', which is whats most important.
..... but I was expecting better than lowest score protection to my legs and chest...... like maybe the vw or volvo? not being unrealistic dont expect green across the board, but no reds would have met my expectations.
