Member Since: 03 May 2005
Location: Perth, Scotland
Posts: 1268
I don't know if Red Ken's software is clever enough to know if you are CO2 neutral or not. I doubt it. And even if it was, he would probably ignore this anyway.No longer a D3 owner but still subscribed to multiple threads!
14th Nov 2006 4:17 pm
Tim in Scotland
Member Since: 27 Jun 2005
Location: All at sea
Posts: 496
Of course it could be that the existing one is so succesful that he has to raise the charge because so few cars are entering the zone Mon- Fri that he isn't making enough money.............
It isn't just London where the motorist is getting hit either, in nice rural Stirling the charges for car-parking have gone up from 20p for every 20 minutes to 60p for every 20 minutes in the main multistorey in the town and 50p for every 20 minutes in the others - the council have just spent an absolute fortune setting up an out of town Park and Ride with FREE buses into town, but you hardly ever see anybody using them. Why? Well who wants to lug all their heavy shopping round town for a the day and then have to lift it into a grotty bus for a 20 minute ride out of town, to have to lift it back into your car. Folks just cut out the middle bit and still park in the town centre.Now a disillusioned new Land Rover buyer and have jumped ship to something less expensive and more reliable that hugs trees.... now driving a Mini Countryman PHEV as well as my trusty and brilliant 1996 Epsom Green Defender90 Tdi300
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Oh this forum is a blast of fresh air, some like-minded people! I've already got Countryside Alliance (You keep your bull**** in westminster and we'll keep ours in the countryside) and "Your daily bread, c/o British Farming" on my soon to be replaced Alfa Sportwagon. Of course the Disco has a lot more glass so I'll also have space for a Disco3 sticker and, oooh, one that points out the inadequacies of the majority of this grasping, underachieving nation of ours. Get them in print, quick!
I made a decision after my last spell of consultancy work in Canary Wharf to avoid London at all costs. 18 months later and the sum total of my visits to Ken's Kremlin is 1, for my brother's wedding. Well done Ken, I used to spend a bloomin' fortune up in the smoke and now I spend it locally instead. Keep it up mate, then you can enjoy your politburo lanes in your zil limo as there will be nobody else in London with the wit, will or wisdom to drive in the CC zone. And nothing worth driving to......
The whole basis of taxing 4x4s is the politics of envy. To many people they smack of conspicuous consumption, an easy and visible target. Perhaps if someone suggested a tax on plasma televisions and sky boxes the illiterate masses would suddenly realise that tax isn't the answer.
14th Nov 2006 4:31 pm
Tim in Scotland
Member Since: 27 Jun 2005
Location: All at sea
Posts: 496
I heard on R4's Today programme this morning that the EU wants to ban the manufacture of the old fashioned Mercury Aneroid Barometer because the Mercury is dangerous..................... The UK uses 30kg of mercury a year to make these things - which means about 30 barometers a year are made by a cottage industry somewhere in Devon. What the EU doesn't seem to appreciate is that far more mercury is used in a year to make all the Fluorescent tubes, street light lamps and those oh so green energy saver light bulbs that we are all being advised to use...................... which invariably end up in a skip or on the dump when they finally die, causing even more pollution than the 30 barometers a year that are made (an probably only 1 or 2 get damaged and leak their mercury as well!)
Here be a mercury barometer www.haroldcox.com/site/product/productid.11366Now a disillusioned new Land Rover buyer and have jumped ship to something less expensive and more reliable that hugs trees.... now driving a Mini Countryman PHEV as well as my trusty and brilliant 1996 Epsom Green Defender90 Tdi300
14th Nov 2006 4:41 pm
nobbyclark
Member Since: 03 May 2005
Location: Perth, Scotland
Posts: 1268
There is definitely a correlation between extending the zone west and wanting to raise more money, rather than reducing congestion. The current zone has very few residents, whereas K&C and Notting Hill are prime candidates for raising tax. The poor $od$ who have to drive from the extended zone to a place of work outside of the zone will be paying a fortune each year just to commute by car. I pity them, up to the point that the zone moves south to Wandsworth, when I will drive to City Hall and insert my D3 in Ken's backside.No longer a D3 owner but still subscribed to multiple threads!
14th Nov 2006 4:42 pm
COMMANDO
Member Since: 09 Oct 2006
Location: NORTH WEST
Posts: 67
4+4 TAX
What makes my blood boil is that the main polluters (aircraft) are getting away with it and it's the motorist who pays.If the oil is going to run out shortly, why are most of our airports expanding, and bigger faster planes being developed?
We should be taxing air travel and leaving the motorist alone! We 55 million brits won't make the slightest difference to global warming, when for example 1 billion chinese and 350 million americans don't give a toss about the enviroment.It is just an excuse to raise more money by our incompetant government.
We should get organised like the French and demonstrate our displeasure-maybe just one organised day we should all leave our cars at home and use public transport to see what happens!
14th Nov 2006 4:45 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Off again! :-)
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nobbyclark wrote:
when I will drive to City Hall and insert my D3 in Ken's backside.
Might be a bit of a loose fit!
14th Nov 2006 4:46 pm
nobbyclark
Member Since: 03 May 2005
Location: Perth, Scotland
Posts: 1268
Quote:
you can enjoy your politburo lanes in your zil limo
Good point. Ken loves using taxis, as his annual expense budget proves. Taxi journeys within the zone are a joy these days, as there are no 'nasty' cars to clutter up the roads. But they charge a flipping fortune. Used to cost me £12 to get a black cab from 'up west' to Wandsworth. It's now more like £22, as Ken ensured that their fares got a mammouth rise when he got in. Oh, and guess where most of the cabbies live? North and East London.No longer a D3 owner but still subscribed to multiple threads!
14th Nov 2006 4:47 pm
Mossy
Member Since: 01 Jul 2005
Location: Hollyoaks, UK
Posts: 2682
Tim in Scotland wrote:
.....the EU wants to ban the manufacture of the old fashioned Mercury Aneroid Barometer because the Mercury is dangerous..................... The UK uses 30kg of mercury a year ...
Pleased it's so high up on their to-do list. Must have been the result of a special committee to establish criteria, then full research (throughout the EU of course) followed by legistlation and legal discussion, the drafting of multi language PR to announce their intention then documents drafted, amended, argued about, amended and re-submitted (rejected by the French because they have balls) before becoming a ban.
Then there's the cost of enforcement...
D3 HSE V8...
14th Nov 2006 4:49 pm
nobbyclark
Member Since: 03 May 2005
Location: Perth, Scotland
Posts: 1268
They have to justify their existence somehow. What better way than announcing the ban of a nasty substance, the introduction, administration and policing of which will cost far more than just leaving it the hell alone?No longer a D3 owner but still subscribed to multiple threads!
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14th Nov 2006 5:52 pm
simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 18296
So is the Mayor of Lodoom about to compensate me for using my own vehicle to drive into my own capitol city ? Public transport is not an option for me... practically or financially.
It takes me two and a half hours to get to central London by car.
By public transport it would take me 8hours, 27 mins with 5 changes of transport mode / train / walking
All with laptop bag, overnight bag etc etc. And if it rained I'd be well off.
Would cost a fortune to get there for 9AM too as its peak period.
So, how does he propose to make my public transport experience better ??
Member Since: 09 Apr 2006
Location: London
Posts: 11412
nobbyclark wrote:
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Do Black cabs have to pay the charge
No, and nor do registered mini cabs.
Didn't know about mini cabs. So how much does it cost to register?
nobbyclark wrote:
And another thing... notice how there are no plans to move the CC boundaries North (to where he used to be an MP) or East (where most of his support comes from). Only West and South.
Double Git.
Careful, don't give him ideas. I seem to remember him saying he wanted the whole of the area inside the M25 covered. Disco 5 HSE Lux
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14th Nov 2006 7:36 pm
Mike Groves
Member Since: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Aberdeen UK
Posts: 14
There was an article on BBC's Working Lunch today on vegetable oil (so-called carbon neutral) being used to power fishing boats, 1 trawler in particular. The figure quoted for CO2 emmission on a typical 4-5 day fishing trip using diesel was 30 tonnes (or tons - didn't say which). Compare that with around 3 tonnes for a car's annual emmission.
Anyone else see it? Of course trawlers don't get into Kens kingdom, but I imagine a few other boats do!
It's very very bad news for owners inside the zone. Previously all car owners within the zone received a 90% discount on the charge, now under the new plans only cars outside the top co2 bracket will get it - so that means people who live in Chelsea and drive a D3 will be hit for £25 a day. This is a socialist mayor hitting the right wing residents of Chelsea/Westminster but actually penalising families. This man is very dangerous let's hope we get a good candidate to stand against him!Loving the power of the TDV8!
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I seem to remember him saying he wanted the whole of the area inside the M25 covered. 
