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Well that's it. We have heard it all in this thread now.
Cheaper, more expensive. More powerful engines, same engines, smaller engines, more practical, less practical, more premium, less premium.
So basically, no ones knows
Maybe it will be all things to all men. Like a disco should be
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27th Aug 2016 9:52 pm
J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6270
robpenrose wrote:
You never know..
I can certainly see potential buyers looking more closely at say RRS2 or used FFRR if the D5 isn't as rugged and practical as the D4.
I think the XC90 looks a nice bit of kit, so maybe buyers will shop around more that default to a disco, for a premium practical 4x4.
I've looked at the RRS2, wasn't a fan of the first one but this one is a different animal, and came to the conclusion that I can't afford it.
Asked about the 2.0 one and my salesman said forget it, the used values are woefully low.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
27th Aug 2016 10:29 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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If that's the new 2.0 RRS, I wonder how he'd know about their resale when they aren't due to go on sale until 1st qtr. 2017
Predicted resale value for PCP?2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
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27th Aug 2016 10:35 pm
J77
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That's on PCP.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
27th Aug 2016 10:36 pm
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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The 2.0 RRS2 has coil suspension and only a high range transfer box. A replacement for a D4 it is not. Hell, it's not even a replacement for my old RRS1... Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
27th Aug 2016 10:39 pm
J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6270
I never said it was a replacement for a D4, I don't use my D4 to its full potential and I enjoy driving so have looked into the RRS2. I'm aware that the 2.0 is an over grown Evoque.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
27th Aug 2016 10:45 pm
crews control
Member Since: 18 Mar 2007
Location: Dorset
Posts: 5011
If LR are considering a 2.0 litre coiler with no low range Disco.... you'd certainly want it to be significantly cheaper than a D4... but if it was, that would only make the DS look very expensive?
After seeing a D5 on the road, and endlessly discussing them on here, I find myself hoping they get the new Defender right, because that may be the only way I can stay with LR when I need to change in a few years time.2005 D3 HSE 2011 D4 Landmark 2016 D4 HSE Lux
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27th Aug 2016 10:58 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7441
J77 wrote:
That's on PCP.
Thanks 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
28th Aug 2016 4:49 am
Red Merle
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Location: Liskeard
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RRSTDV8 wrote:
The 2.0 RRS2 has coil suspension and only a high range transfer box. A replacement for a D4 it is not. Hell, it's not even a replacement for my old RRS1...
I wasn't aware of this. To my surprise, to buy a RRS without the essential air suspension (I use mine every time I use the D4 and wouldn't have bought it without it!), the low range box (I use that too...) and with only 2/3's of an engine, only saves £3,400.00. That's only around 6%!!
To buy an unproven, 240PS 2 litre diesel is brave indeed. I imagine that this will apply to the D5 as well.2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
28th Aug 2016 5:00 am
J77
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Location: Fife
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If I was able to get into one it would be the 3.0 HSE and add the £600 off road pack (TR2 & low range), though I don't use it a lot it's handy to have.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
28th Aug 2016 9:20 am
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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My guess is that the 2.0 RRS is only in the range to allow LR to say the RRS starts from less than £60k. When RRS2 first arrived it was available in SE trim which had high range only and missed a few other things. It was "cheap" but it didn't last.
I think it's just marketing around perceived price points - a bit like things being sold for £9.99 rather £10.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
28th Aug 2016 9:20 am
lespes
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Think it is probably more to do with emission targets set by goverment, the more models they can sell with 2wd smaller engines etc etc helps to reduce their overall average which is what is measured by the gov. Its why Aston Martin do the ridicules makeover on the Toyota IQ.
Landrover has reduced the co2 emissions on the D4 for the past 5 yrs every yr, sometimes by only a very small margin but this must be driven by the gov directives.D4 Landmark MY16 Santorini Black THE LAST
D4 HSE MY12 Marmais Teal: Gone. Missed a lot!
Freelander 2 SD HSE MY11 Silver:Thankfully gone.
D4 HSE MY11 Silver: Gone missed !
Range Rover Sport MY06 HSE Buck Blue: Gone missed!
Discovery D2 TD5 Facelift MY Red Gone Missed!
Discovery D2 TD5 Cobalt Blue: Gone Missed!
Discovery D1 Auto Oxford Blue Not missed at all!
Discovery D1 Avalon Blue First LR! missed!
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28th Aug 2016 12:33 pm
sacimiddx
Member Since: 09 Mar 2007
Location: hants
Posts: 2144
RRSTDV8 wrote:
My guess is that the 2.0 RRS is only in the range to allow LR to say the RRS starts from less than £60k. When RRS2 first arrived it was available in SE trim which had high range only and missed a few other things. It was "cheap" but it didn't last.
I think it's just marketing around perceived price points - a bit like things being sold for £9.99 rather £10.
Yup it was 'cheap' around 52 K slightly down on bhp no arm rests or electric seats no front fogs but a bloody good car
I ran one for a year and lost only 6 K
It had been on order for ever put back a lot
They pulled we very early as they we selling all the RRS they could make so why not make 8 k more with HSE modelIllegitimi Non Carborundum
29th Aug 2016 7:27 am
J77
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Location: Fife
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LR are starting to tease now, they have the "all new Discovery" listed in the brochure download section.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
29th Aug 2016 7:34 pm
Bill Wright
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........ but only a link to the current model(s) I registered for a brochure of the "All New Discovery" and have just had an email "Here is Your Land Rover E Brochure". Of course it's the current model. Waste of time registering methinks.Never take life too seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
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I registered for a brochure of the "All New Discovery" and have just had an email "Here is Your Land Rover E Brochure". Of course it's the current model. Waste of time registering methinks.
