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Does this need a tacograph?
Brother's business use, trailer pulled by my parent's D3. Not sure of distance from base but it could be based in Cardiff and going to be used in London. My thoughts are it would need a tacho, thoughts from those in the know out there. Trailer & forklift 3.5 tonnes.
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13th Oct 2014 12:42 pm
stew 46
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I think it's all about if it's for his own use and not for gain I think -------------------------------------------------
if you cant hold on dont let go , it ill come in handy for something even if you never use it.
D3 SE 05,
110 s wagon 300 tdi SOLD
h top transit
crew cab transit
transit connect
ausa dumper, muck truck .
peljob 2.5 digger
06 L 200 crew cab
13th Oct 2014 12:48 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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It's for his and his employees use to set up exhibition stands, he's not hiring it out.
PS anyone know the max combined weight of a towing D4? I think the GVW is about 3.25 tonnes?
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13th Oct 2014 12:50 pm
Robbie
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If the D3 belongs to your parents, is being driven by them and is not for commercial gain then I would say no tachometer.
If your brother is borrowing the D3 and the equipment is associated with his business then I would say yes to tachometer.
It is a weird area of regulation so interested in all opinions and experience.
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It's the same with my digger and dumpers , I don't hire them out , there for our own contracts for my customers , so I believe that's ok , I did look in to it a long time ago -------------------------------------------------
if you cant hold on dont let go , it ill come in handy for something even if you never use it.
D3 SE 05,
110 s wagon 300 tdi SOLD
h top transit
crew cab transit
transit connect
ausa dumper, muck truck .
peljob 2.5 digger
06 L 200 crew cab
13th Oct 2014 12:55 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Robbie wrote:
If your brother is borrowing the D3 and the equipment is associated with his business then I would say yes to tachometer.
That's what's happening I think. Forklift is from his warehouse and D4 from my folks, probably hired the trailer.
13th Oct 2014 12:58 pm
stew 46
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Mine is part of my tools and is just under 3.5 tone .
If I were delivering it to another builder to hire with out one of my drivers then I think I would need one .-------------------------------------------------
if you cant hold on dont let go , it ill come in handy for something even if you never use it.
D3 SE 05,
110 s wagon 300 tdi SOLD
h top transit
crew cab transit
transit connect
ausa dumper, muck truck .
peljob 2.5 digger
06 L 200 crew cab
13th Oct 2014 1:03 pm
Robbie
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Stew, I think you may need one.
Not the best news of the day I know.Land Rover - Turning Drivers into Mechanics Since 1948
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Seems to be what does "hire or reward" mean. Why is life never simple.
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13th Oct 2014 1:11 pm
L319
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My conversation with Land Rover Legal department when I worked there was any use directly or indirectly for Hire or reward including your own business needed Tachograph if train weight over 3.5T and goods being carried. It is just an opinion at the time, & having said this it is a real minefield and DVSA wont offer any advise.
13th Oct 2014 1:13 pm
Robbie
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L319, that is my understanding too. There are a few exemptions (own leisure, horses and 50km rule for own use etc) but none that fit the scenario given by Stew.Land Rover - Turning Drivers into Mechanics Since 1948
Vehicles or combinations of vehicles with a maximum
permissible mass not exceeding 7.5 tonnes that
are used:
for carrying materials, equipment or machinery
for the driver’s use in the course of his work.
These vehicles shall be used only within a 50 km
radius of the base of the undertaking and on the
condition that driving the vehicle does not constitute
the driver’s main activity.
This would apply to tradesmen such as electricians or
builders carrying tools or materials for their own use.
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So not if he's 50km from his base.
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13th Oct 2014 1:30 pm
stew 46
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Robbie wrote:
Stew, I think you may need one.
Not the best news of the day I know.
It's a grey area I think A vosa van followed me on Friday for 2 miles and I was waiting for him to stop me , digger boom was strapped to the right part of the trailer and all lights working plus my strobe light is always on when towing as the trailer is wider than the D3 , I was sweeting a bit but he didn't stop me -------------------------------------------------
if you cant hold on dont let go , it ill come in handy for something even if you never use it.
D3 SE 05,
110 s wagon 300 tdi SOLD
h top transit
crew cab transit
transit connect
ausa dumper, muck truck .
peljob 2.5 digger
06 L 200 crew cab
13th Oct 2014 1:31 pm
dantheman
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I believe that stew is ok. There was a rule about distance from registered address also Stew's digger use is not hire or reward as it is his and is used as part of his contract. If he was collecting goods owned by someone else transporting them for a fee then he would. Thats my understanding anyway.
If this wasnt the case plod would be sitting outside every builders merchant giving tickets out on an hourly basis.
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