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Motorists see millions of pounds spent on cycleways, lanes and paths and yet in law there is nothing to say they have to use them.
There are some knob road vehicle drivers for sure but nobody wants to hurt a cyclist ...... it seems that ever since the bloody Olympics we have a new breed of militant lycra brigade who almost appear to seek out confrontation. I see this frequently.21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
4th Jun 2015 7:57 am
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It's made worse by YouTube monetisation and the low price of gopro style cameras.
You see it a lot with vlogger motorcyclists too, they purposefully don't remove themselves from danger when it arises so that the shock factor is there, or so they can have a rant or a moan or a good old cry for the benefit of their subscribers. More clicks, more money.
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4th Jun 2015 8:06 am
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Mad max and George Galloways love child in the disco was a complete rocket but there are always 2 sides to every coin and these helmet camera bell tips cut their footage to suit. I don't believe that nothing happened prior to him going so mental.
In my experience the decent cyclists don't bat an eyelid and are fine but those with cameras go out their way to look for trouble. There is a guy up here on youtube who deliberately riles people up to get a reaction. His footage also never shows the full story.
When the clip was first published, there was a significant amount of footage before the incident. It seemed to show about four cyclists riding close together. The footage also shows the cycle with the camera overtaking other cyclists and riding further out into the road, and being overtaken itself by another bike I think. Perhaps traffic had been held up for a while?
Also, I wonder what the cyclists face was like during HIS rant?
Would be nice to see the whole story.There are two rules for success,
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4th Jun 2015 8:20 am
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Makes you wonder - Mr Angry had been held up for some distance, gets past group of cyclists, beeps and gesticulates, cyclist gesticulates back, Mr Angry loses it good style, cyclist winds him up a bit more.
On the very odd occasion I've been beeped etc, I smile and let the guy go, no point in making a situation worse - guy in the car could be a grade one nutter - worry more about my health and that of my bike to get involved in a childish ranting session or worse
4th Jun 2015 9:28 am
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4th Jun 2015 10:08 am
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The argument seemed to be about whether the cyclist had slapped Mr Angry's car. Well, if he did, that's because Mr. Angry passed within arm's length! The idiot!
I once saw a moped overtake a horse and rider without pulling out. His footrest actually passed under her stirrups, for God's sake! Fortunately the horse did not spook; unlike when my wife was a kid and a transit van took off her horse, Zebedee's, rear leg. It had to be put down, of course. Fortunately she was thrown towards the verge, but had to grow up with the trauma of the blood and gore and horror.
As a kid, I once stopped my bike on a hill to allow a pal to catch up . My left foot was on the grass verge, my tyres on the very edge of the tarmac/dirt and the bike leaned over. My right foot was still on the pedal and a car passed so close the toe of my training shoe rubbed down the side of the car door! If he or she had stopped, presumably they'd have had a go at me for marking their paintwork! Ar oles.
THAT SAID: Cyclists need to learn to ride defensively, like good motorcyclists; always assuming the other person will do a dumb thing next. That's how to minimise your risk, though you can't take it away completely. I watch videos of cyclists in London hurling themselves across lanes of traffic and I know that they are blindly putting they're own welfare in the hands of strangers, which is never a good idea!Went for a job as a human cannonball. Not the right calibre.
4th Jun 2015 10:55 am
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We had friends up at Easter from Sussex and he is a very keen regular cyclist....we went for a gentle run as he is far more proficient/fit than I am.
He said afterwards that although we had far less traffic,what we did have passed far closer and quicker than the more "cyclist aware" traffic he is used to......I hadn't really thought about it,as it's just what I'm used to,but I now keep much further to the left than I did before when I hear traffic approaching.
We are a lot more "horse aware" and it's rare to see anyone pass one at anything other than crawling pace,and a wide berth."Better to remain silent and be thought a fool,than to speak out and remove all doubt" ?.....what rubbish...
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...unlike when my wife was a kid and a transit van took off her horse, Zebedee's, rear leg.
Oh hell! Sorry to hear that. As someone with horses (one of which had a narrow escape in a RTA) that makes me feel sick.
euangibson wrote:
We are a lot more "horse aware" and it's rare to see anyone pass one at anything other than crawling pace,and a wide berth.
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4th Jun 2015 12:15 pm
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Although I am an occasional cyclist, having spent most of my life in London, I am certainly not a fan of them and whilst this Discovery driver is clearly an idiot with real anger management issues depending on the full circumstances I do have some sympathy for him.
Certain cyclists (not all, by any means) do seem to enjoy ignoring rules they don't like, for example red traffic lights. About 7 or 8 years ago I was crossing the road, my right of way, green man and was knocked over by a cyclist that decided the red light didn't apply to him.
Thankfully apart from a cut hand and a ripped knee in my suit trousers I was fine and he came off far worse, injuring himself on the railings he hit as he fell.
On another occasion I was shouted at and verbally abused for stepping off the pavement almost directly in front off a cyclist, I had already apologised before my brain kicked in and the reason I hadn't see him was he was cycling the wrong way down a one way street.
Given these and several other similar incidents I have no love for cyclists and although I give them plenty of space when driving I do find when I reach a group riding 3 or 4 abreast I do get frustrated, if stuck so perhaps the next video will be of me (grey D4, likely to be wearing tweed rather than a leather outfit).
Apologies for the rant, especially to the kind and considerate cyclists, but having spent so long in London too many bad apple's have tarnished them for me.Andy
4th Jun 2015 12:21 pm
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Lost for Words wrote:
DDDad wrote:
...unlike when my wife was a kid and a transit van took off her horse, Zebedee's, rear leg.
Oh hell! Sorry to hear that. As someone with horses (one of which had a narrow escape in a RTA) that makes me feel sick.
Cheers. It was a very long time ago in Derbyshire.
As for Fitzy73: I hope you sued the guy that hit you after jumping the light The small claims court is ideal for things like that. If more miscreants got sued, word would soon get around the idiot fringe!
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4th Jun 2015 12:43 pm
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Fitzy 73 comment is interesting - some idiot in Manchester City Council once decided it was a good idea to have a cycle lane going the opposite direction on a very long established one way street outside our old city centre offices, so folk used to always look left and forget to look right with the inevitable collision - in theory, the pedestrian's fault, in reality, nobody's unless the cyclist had the reactions of a Jedi.
4th Jun 2015 12:50 pm
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That is such a great point DDDad, it is just the antisocialness (if that's a word) of certain people and sadly they are everywhere, whether motorist or cyclist.
No, I didn't take it any further, he came out of it far worse, so dusted myself off and carried on, might have trod on his back wheel as I stumbled to get up though Andy
4th Jun 2015 12:54 pm
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adam wrote:
Fitzy 73 comment is interesting - some idiot in Manchester City Council once decided it was a good idea to have a cycle lane going the opposite direction on a very long established one way street outside our old city centre offices, so folk used to always look left and forget to look right with the inevitable collision - in theory, the pedestrian's fault, in reality, nobody's unless the cyclist had the reactions of a Jedi.
As a former motorcyclist, who survived the first 6 months and so learned to ride defensively, I always expect pedestrians to step out and try to drive accordingly. I still instinctively look for shadows under parked cars in case a kiddy comes out between them. My life used to depend on it; now theirs does Went for a job as a human cannonball. Not the right calibre.
The fact of the matter is, whatever the road/junction/situation/event etc., a little thought and consideration from all parties will usually be enough to avert disaster, even in some of the most dangerous conditions. This applies to just about everything too, not just roads, driving and cycling.
I once read through a Sustrans leaflet about how to make roads etc. more cycle friendly - It had some suggestions that I thought were awful; for instance, an "informal mini roundabout". What the hell is an "informal mini roundabout"! I presume, the idea is along the lines of that no one has right of way? I don't know about others, but a mini roundabout is one of the things I like to traverse least on a bike, particularly as many of them are now 4-way.
It also suggested hatching down the middle or sides of the road to make it "seem narrower". Again, IMO, this is the opposite of what I'd want on a bike. I'd want the road to appear as wide as possible so people are encouraged to leave a wider birth when overtaking.
My view is that it's much better, when traffic levels allow, to have simple, give way junctions. That way, you know where you stand and don't have to race cars when the light goes green.
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Motorists see millions of pounds spent on cycleways, lanes and paths and yet in law there is nothing to say they have to use them.
All very well, but how do you draw the line when using the cycle lane is more hassle than it's worth? When a cycle lane appears on the opposite side of the road, but you are turning left in a hundred meters, do you have to cross the road, twice, to use it? If you don't, how is the law enforced?
When it comes to money, don't get me started! That was another thing in this leaflet - endless standards for cycle path (thinking of segregated paths rather than lanes here) widths, and gradients, and surfaces, and lighting, and marking, and clearing, and... How many more paths could be opened if someone just said, "well, it's better than nothing"? Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
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4th Jun 2015 1:20 pm
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I'm a very keen cyclist and am often appalled by the behaviour of my fellow cyclists. It seems that once up to speed and head down the laws of the land and highway code don't seem to apply to a certain clique. The other problem is that the cycling press (I'm sad and read them all every week / month) are all of the opinion it is the car drivers fault so believe they are immune from blame.
Whilst there are plenty of crass drivers out there, most I come across are pretty good, the worst being tractor drvers and school drop off mums, the best lorry drivers.
However, my biggest gripe are those that don't check their wing mirrors before opening their doors. A car door is a far more effective brake than anything I have come across on a bike to stop you and it bloody well hurts!
At the end of the day the roads are getting more congested so we all need to be a little bit more tolerant and aware and respect each others right to be on the road.D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
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. My left foot was on the grass verge, my tyres on the very edge of the tarmac/dirt and the bike leaned over. My right foot was still on the pedal and a car passed so close the toe of my training shoe rubbed down the side of the car door! If he or she had stopped, presumably they'd have had a go at me for marking their paintwork! Ar 
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The small claims court is ideal for things like that. If more miscreants got sued, word would soon get around the idiot fringe! 
I don't know about others, but a mini roundabout is one of the things I like to traverse least on a bike, particularly as many of them are now 4-way.
