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Some more reasons, small things but they all add up.
Rear spoiler designed to stop you constantly having to clean the back.
Electric power steering (one less pulley/belt) aids fuel consumption.
No massive body off service to worry about.
Automatic lowering of car when exiting (I always forget till I've switched off)
Phone apps that can tell you car status, report theft, check cars locked lights off & more. (I'm not having the full seat folding but again it's a choice)
Wet storage "cupboard" in boot.
Activity Key ideal for me when dog walking & over night fishing.
LED headlights which feature five modes to suit different driving situations; Country, Town, Motorway, Alternative Country (for low visibility).Peter
The D3/4 looks dated? Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't but who cares!? I think there are few things I care about less.
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Rear spoiler designed to stop you constantly having to clean the back.
I have an alternative method - not giving a damn.
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Electric power steering (one less pulley/belt) aids fuel consumption.
Where does the electicity come from? The alternator. What drives the alternator? The aux belt...
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No massive body off service to worry about.
What massive body off service?
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Automatic lowering of car when exiting (I always forget till I've switched off)
Almost never lower it anyway.
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Phone apps that can tell you car status, report theft, check cars locked lights off & more. (I'm not having the full seat folding but again it's a choice)
I can live with looking out of the window TBH.
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Wet storage "cupboard" in boot.
Never needed one yet.
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Activity Key ideal for me when dog walking & over night fishing.
OK, but would I spend £315 on it. Probably not.
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LED headlights which feature five modes to suit different driving situations; Country, Town, Motorway, Alternative Country (for low visibility).
What's the fifth mode? Off? Would be put to shame by my lamps anyway.
Fair enough, they all add up, but for me these would all add up to a tiny, tiny bit more than nothing. Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
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14th Dec 2016 11:05 am
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LfW - the new Discovery is what the market wants, apparently. What the market wants, the market gets because the market decides and the market is goooood. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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14th Dec 2016 7:27 pm
Compusmentis
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Lost for Words wrote:
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Electric power steering (one less pulley/belt) aids fuel consumption.
Where does the electicity come from? The alternator. What drives the alternator? The aux belt...
The alternator control software monitors engine load, and will try only to charge the battery when on the over-run, coasting or when the engine is under low load.
Obviously if the battery is seriously depleted, it will charge in any case...
New gearbox & TC, 3 x front wheel bearings, belts changed, new oil pump, new battery, new rear prop, new front prop, new front diff, front arb refurbed, front cv boot kit, egr blank and BAS software patch, full rear suspension / drivelive rebuild, new front arms, LED trailer light fix, split charge.
Never had a 107, 90 or 127, but have had most of the rest!
14th Dec 2016 7:42 pm
ronp
Member Since: 29 Nov 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
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Re: Disco 4 looks dated compared to Disco 5
AndrewS wrote:
The D5 is clearly growing on me, when I look at my red D4 I think it looks dated.
Random Red D4 pic taken from LR web site.
Never ever thought I'd be saying this, but I'm starting to agree with Mr S ( and I don't mean agreeing with Andrew )
I'm well aware that in general, people just don't like change and always prefer the status quo .... I was/am the same.
But got to say the D5 and its 'modern' styling is really starting to grow on me.
Sadly just being semi retired I can't afford one (having got rid of the D4 for a FL2).
But for a wee while I've been thinking of changing back up to a D4.
However as a new D5 is out of the question, I'm now contemplating its little brother, the DS.
So it's a question of, (if I do change) do I go for the older styled but much loved D4, or the more modern look of the DS and 'rufty tufty' it up a bit. ...... always on the road less travelled 🚧
14th Dec 2016 7:51 pm
Red Merle
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Electric power steering is fitted for a very good reason:
During the laboratory conditions of the fuel consumption and CO2 tests, the steering is not used. Unlike hydraulic systems, electric steering puts no load on the engine when not in use. Consequently, mpg and CO2 figures will be that bit lower under laboratory test conditions.
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14th Dec 2016 7:51 pm
Moo D3 Decade
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The one thing you don't buy a LR of any flavour for is fuel consumption! If you have to think about it in a D4 or D5 then perhaps its not the car for you.New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
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14th Dec 2016 7:55 pm
Red Merle
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Re: Disco 4 looks dated compared to Disco 5
ronp wrote:
Never ever thought I'd be saying this, but I'm starting to agree with Mr S ( and I don't mean agreeing with Andrew )
I'm well aware that in general, people just don't like change and always prefer the status quo .... I was/am the same.
But got to say the D5 and its 'modern' styling is really starting to grow on me.
If you look at anything for long enough, familiarity will create acceptance. I seem to remember from my biology that it's known as "accommodation".
It even works with the hideously ugly, For example, If you try looking at this one frequently for the next few weeks, it may even start to grow on you as well:
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2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
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14th Dec 2016 7:57 pm
ronp
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Ok, you're right, I'll forget it. ...... always on the road less travelled 🚧
LfW - the new Discovery is what the market wants, apparently. What the market wants, the market gets because the market decides and the market is goooood.
Ahh, but it is LR's judgement of what the market wants and which part it should/can serve. They won't always get it spot on, though everyone tries to tell us they do. Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
Freelander 2 2007 HSE Manual Tambora Flame
Previous: FL2 56 reg SE Manual Black (written off )
Disco 3 06 reg B7S Manual Rimini Red
Disco 2 TD5 Y reg ES Manual Blue - Chipped
Several Discovery 300 TDis
Electric power steering (one less pulley/belt) aids fuel consumption.
Where does the electicity come from? The alternator. What drives the alternator? The aux belt...
The alternator control software monitors engine load, and will try only to charge the battery when on the over-run, coasting or when the engine is under low load.
Obviously if the battery is seriously depleted, it will charge in any case...
Of course, but the power comes from the engine one way or another, and the work done is the same, so only efficiency savings apply, which will be no more than negligible. Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
Freelander 2 2007 HSE Manual Tambora Flame
Previous: FL2 56 reg SE Manual Black (written off )
Disco 3 06 reg B7S Manual Rimini Red
Disco 2 TD5 Y reg ES Manual Blue - Chipped
Several Discovery 300 TDis
15th Dec 2016 10:11 am
petersw
Member Since: 17 Nov 2012
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 1135
I'm sure you might well get 5% under laboratory conditions, between the worst and best case systems, in a small hatchback, when brand new, if you drive mostly on the motorway, yes. In a Disco, you certainly won't be writing home about the savings. After all, the total improvement in fuel consumption from D4 to D5 as quoted is only 6.8% from the start...
Personally, I can't be much concerned with the whole 6.8% let alone a small part of that. Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
Freelander 2 2007 HSE Manual Tambora Flame
Previous: FL2 56 reg SE Manual Black (written off )
Disco 3 06 reg B7S Manual Rimini Red
Disco 2 TD5 Y reg ES Manual Blue - Chipped
Several Discovery 300 TDis
The one thing you don't buy a LR of any flavour for is fuel consumption! If you have to think about it in a D4 or D5 then perhaps its not the car for you.
I disagree. I expect the bigger market does look at fuel consumption. Maybe not the actual number itself, but at least the comparison between rivals. Don't forget, this forum, especially its active population, could be classed as enthusiasts of LR and discos but there is a massive slice of the SUV market with no brand loyalty and very different "desires" from their vehicle - including features others class as gimmicks and some fuel economy (which we enthusiasts know to be rubbish). LR cant afford to ignore this massive market if they want to survive. Im sure there are many more D3's and D4's used on urban school runs than there are used day and daily to tow and go offroad. LR probably hope to expand into this market further.
15th Dec 2016 11:25 am
Scott #55
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Bill Wright wrote:
I'm getting a D5 because (in no particular order) drum roll :
3. The off roading that I do is mainly for collecting my logs with the trailer, parking at Point to Point and for dogging in
Do the other doggers manage the off-roading as well?
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