Jaguar Land Rover China filed the recall to the State Administration for Market Regulations.
Starting from April 5, the recall includes 42,000 Discovery 4 models produced between 2009 and 2016 and more than 20,000 Range Rover Sport models that were produced between 2009-2013.
Crankshaft bearings on the cars may experience earlier-than-expected wear and tear and even break under extreme conditions that cause engine stalling.
Jaguar will check all affected vehicles and replace the defective parts completely free of charge.
How do they check, How do they replace the part (crank) i was under the impression its not available!
30th Jun 2019 2:18 pm
Gary_P
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A used car warranty on a car (JLR) greater than 3 years old is not the same level of warranty as a new car. It is not a warranty from the manufacturer but with a third party, therefore it will not be as comprehensive.Gary
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30th Jun 2019 4:31 pm
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The problem with these so called recalls is - it's just a test. The car could go in one day and pass the test, the next day the bearing could rotate, block the oil gallery and you still end up in the .
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see how this 'recall' is fixing the issue and is of benefit to the customer. It's merely a JLR pantomime to in-country government administrations.Kev
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I have asked this before but I feel that I must ask again. Some times the simple questions are the hardest.
Can somebody explain to me why ‘o’ why, when this issue appeared 15yrs ago was a fix not applied by Ford back then? This would have saved years and years of ongoing grief and trauma for everybody…..
As I said it’s a simple question but I can only hear Tumble weed.
2nd Sep 2019 8:53 pm
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You will only get a speculative answer here ie. rumour or personal opinion. And this answer will likely be....cost.
If you need an official answer, you'll need to ask the correct organisation, be it Ford, PSA or JLR. Whether you will get a straight answer or not, is another matter Kev
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2nd Sep 2019 9:11 pm
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It wasn't cost as such because they did identify an issue and attempted to rectify ...the trouble has always been which engines the issue applied to ...it was sporadic....the fact that even after alterations, the issue continued was perplexing.21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
2nd Sep 2019 9:46 pm
knwatkins
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Are you referring to the introduction of bearing tabs? If so, how is this an attempt to rectify the issue? The force on the edge of the leading edge of the bearing is exactly the same whether the tab is there or not. The purpose of a tab is to aid assembly and has nothing do with prevention of rotation. I think it's naive to say this particular design change was introduced for this reason in absence of a formal statement.
Furthermore, what about the snapped cranks which occur without bearing rotation?
Has there ever been an official statement from Ford or PSA Group to state what measures (if any) they have taken to rectify the issue?Kev
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3rd Sep 2019 5:56 am
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No statement is ever going to be forthcoming is it I am only aware of the measures taken to avoid the shells moving when the crank was inserted during assembly and changes to the oilway position to reduce pressure ...the info comes from those working on the line ...but no doubt rejected here as rumour 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
3rd Sep 2019 7:14 am
knwatkins
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Yes, I completely agree with you DG and it's a real shame concerning the lack of information from the design authority.
In reality, I believe there is nothing that can be done on these engines apart from a complete bottom end redesign to resolve the problem. There are many things that can be done that can be perceived as reducing the risk to ALARP (as low as reasonably practicable) but my belief is that we are dealing with a fundamental design flaw.
The Russian report that Gary, gstuart, has been working on gives great insight to the potential flaws and is an interesting read in the absence of any official information.Kev
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3rd Sep 2019 7:48 am
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There’s some military terms in there. Are you an ex SP?
3rd Sep 2019 2:36 pm
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No, but I'm in the industry Kev
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3rd Sep 2019 2:45 pm
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Maybe some statistical probability may give the answer
I am sure we will hear of customers who having recieved the recal are now having their engines repaired/replaced.
Months later....
....anyone...
Wow..100% of what they checked was ok..
We all know check is B.S. or am I wrong?It is better to have and not need it then need and not have it.
4th Sep 2019 9:04 am
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knwatkins wrote:
Yes, I completely agree with you DG and it's a real shame concerning the lack of information from the design authority.
In reality, I believe there is nothing that can be done on these engines apart from a complete bottom end redesign to resolve the problem. There are many things that can be done that can be perceived as reducing the risk to ALARP (as low as reasonably practicable) but my belief is that we are dealing with a fundamental design flaw.
The Russian report that Gary, gstuart, has been working on gives great insight to the potential flaws and is an interesting read in the absence of any official information.
too low oil flow and pressure..... (low oil flow is a design "philosopy")
I bought mine and, in the next months, I'll change it.
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4th Sep 2019 10:55 am
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Korean recall mentioned in this short bit on crankshaft failures in this month's caravan and Motorhome Club magazine. Part of a wider article on vehicle recalls and not particularly useful really!
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26th Oct 2019 7:24 am
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It does say DVSA might need more reports, so let it know if you have evidence.
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ie. rumour or personal opinion. And this answer will likely be....cost.
