LT wrote:

My 2016 D4 has an EU6 engine. Should I be anymore concerned than current diesel D5 owners?

well ... I see in today's papers the concern is that brake and tyre dust are an issue, so even the electric cars are stuffed.

and if you're drinking a glass of fruit juice per day, you're 12% more likely to get cancer.

not sure there is ANYTHING we can win anymore.

The Dundonian wrote:

At least Blue Meanie is being honest. It’s the first small step that’s the biggest.

Come on boys, we will support you no matter what, you don’t have to fear coming out.

I may look at the Def when it's actually out but if it follows the DS and D5 in looking like a regurgitated Toyota Previa then it's off the list as well

I'm very fortunate that I never have to venture into any of the sprawling metropoli that either have in place or are proposing charges for older vehicles so that at least isn't a factor for me either

LT wrote:

^

“It does everything better than the old D3/4 by the bucket load.”

Not for me it doesn’t. If it did I’d own one.

Nor me. As I explained its not for me, i'm not worried about LEZ charges because it will cost me less than £1500 a year, but I am looking to the future and the D5 isn't it. Cars like the Riven and others that will be coming along are the future. The D5 is just another Tesco shopping waggon as far as i'm concerned aimed at yummy mummies. I'm glad its the car for you, but its not the car for me and many others.

 New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)

Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)

Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)

No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control 

The Dundonian wrote:

So let me get this right, it’s not envy, it’s not cost, it’s not cos you’ve not driven or had a ride in one, it’s purely down to the rear seats and aesthetics and some confusion that it looks like a Disco Sport.

Oh, how you boys like to pull the leg. Good one.

The rear seats are just as comfortable as the ones in the D3/4’s I’ve owned. There feels like there’s actually more room to waggle your feet and access is easier.

The vehicle looks the business. It’s aerodynamic rather than brick shaped. The rear is really quite pleasing after your initial shock that it’s not like a square table tops been stuck on the back and as for the number plate, it’s quite pleasing because it’s different, it makes it unique and easy to pick out in a car park. It’s like it’s unique signature. The side view and the front view is just perfect and it looks nothing like the poxy Disco Sport unless your vision is failing as quick as your mental capacity. I mean come on, you can see it coming no matter which way you look. You guys would have trouble picking out a bi plane from the Euro fighter.

It does everything better than the old D3/4 by the bucket load. I can only suggest that those that dislike it are old fashioned nostalgia lovers, who would favour the 1940’s to living in the exciting and innovative new millennium. Those that prefer striking flints together to make a fire instead of matches or a lighter. Nothing wrong with that, just be honest and admit it and the fact that secretly in your dreams you yearn for such a vehicle but are in denial.

 Andy