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PROFSR G
 


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Very helpful indeed, and a clear insightful answer as well, thank you.

Can I ask what remote controller you opted for in the end?
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Good point!

This is the one I had issues with: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124147753763

This is the one I have now and works as expected (it doesn’t do any form of reset/clearing of faults etc): https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164703229132

I then paired it with this remote control relay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363050462248
  
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@itguy
Do you have dip switches on parking mode? What do they actually do. I bought the same one. Thanks
  
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Yes I think there's a few on here using these as well Thumbs Up

I was wondering about this unit https://lr-fbh.co.uk/product/fbh-controller/

Although pricey, I wonder if it comes with any of the the same issues? I presume it does as when the vehicle awakes and finds the burner running it's going to log a fault. So that being the case the cheaper option might be the better choice.
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Mikescotland wrote:
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Do you have dip switches on parking mode? What do they actually do. I bought the same one. Thanks


My dip switch is set to parking mode I believe. I didn’t change it from the default as it came delivered.
  
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PROFSR G wrote:
Yes I think there's a few on here using these as well Thumbs Up

I was wondering about this unit https://lr-fbh.co.uk/product/fbh-controller/

Although pricey, I wonder if it comes with any of the the same issues? I presume it does as when the vehicle awakes and finds the burner running it's going to log a fault. So that being the case the cheaper option might be the better choice.


I considered buying this one and had a long technical conversation with the designer of that too and it is perfectly ok - no funny coding on it, so just the CANbus conflict “as normal” !
  
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It their manual says
"However, if the FBH is already running when the car started, it will continue to run for remainder of the pre-set time, or until 75 degrees is reached whichever comes first."
No mention regarding any canbus conflict?

@itguy thanks a lot. Let's see what will come out of my project.
  
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OK thank You, so this might suit my needs as I have a few customers asking for a solution to this issue.
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Mikescotland wrote:
It their manual says
"However, if the FBH is already running when the car started, it will continue to run for remainder of the pre-set time, or until 75 degrees is reached whichever comes first."
No mention regarding any canbus conflict?

@itguy thanks a lot. Let's see what will come out of my project.


Remember that the unit would do what you have said above (run for the pre-set time or until 75c) anyway because you have started it from the w-bus - not because the CAN has taken over control of it...

I’m not saying it won’t work - but just be aware that if you scan for fault codes you might get some but they can be cleared and aren’t serious.
  
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But you said yourself that the FBH will stop working after a few instances when the canbus is woken up during controller working?
  
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I was wondering about this unit https://lr-fbh.co.uk/product/fbh-controller/

Although pricey, I wonder if it comes with any of the the same issues? I presume it does as when the vehicle awakes and finds the burner running it's going to log a fault. So that being the case the cheaper option might be the better choice.


Just got a reply from them and they say that it's perfectly fine to start the car when controller initiated the FBH. No faults recorded and no lockouts.
I'm now a bit puzzled.
 

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Yes, but can be unlocked / cleared of faults and start working again though. It will be good to get your feedback and experience on here too when you have had a play so we can build our knowledge together
  
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Mikescotland wrote:
I was wondering about this unit https://lr-fbh.co.uk/product/fbh-controller/

Although pricey, I wonder if it comes with any of the the same issues? I presume it does as when the vehicle awakes and finds the burner running it's going to log a fault. So that being the case the cheaper option might be the better choice.

Just got a reply from them and they say that it's perfectly fine to start the car when controller initiated the FBH. No faults recorded and no lockouts.
I'm now a bit puzzled.


Perfect - sounds good then. If you buy it, test it and you don’t get any faults recorded then please let us all know as that is very useful, I might end up changing mine then...
  
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Here is the problem. Not really keen on spending another £125 for this when I bought another one.
On the other hand I don't seem how it could be different from the one we've got (except it HAS a jumper insider to clear the faults if they arise). It has only connection to Wbus, not canbus...
  
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itguy wrote:
PROFSR G wrote:
Yes I think there's a few on here using these as well Thumbs Up

I was wondering about this unit https://lr-fbh.co.uk/product/fbh-controller/

Although pricey, I wonder if it comes with any of the the same issues? I presume it does as when the vehicle awakes and finds the burner running it's going to log a fault. So that being the case the cheaper option might be the better choice.


I considered buying this one and had a long technical conversation with the designer of that too and it is perfectly ok - no funny coding on it, so just the CANbus conflict “as normal” !


Actually, now that I think of it and aside from the W bus controller issues. Do you know if the Webasto Thermo Test 2.16 engineering software will allow a change to the programmed start temp default of 6°?

The issue came up in another thread earlier in the week where the start temp on the D3 is set too low at 6°. I suggested to the OP that you might have some insights as to whether it can be increased to 8° as on the D4 by using the WTT 2.16?

It would be worthwhile if it can be changed!
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